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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/04 16:57:02
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So I'm considering (not yet sold on) upgrading my pc to something new and shiny. Mostly because my processor is falling behind now and being unable to deliver good performance on newer games. And once you start with upgrading the processor the motherboard gets replaced and then other parts too and before you know it its a whole new PC. Plus it means that my current rig can be preserved as a decent higher end computer as a back up.
Right now I'm considering the following:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/x72mJf
Note Crucial P2 appears to be a bit cheaper at present and seems to offer slightly improved read/write performance over the P1.
To that I also plan to add:
3TB HDD
2TB HDD
500GB SSD
With the 2 drives and 2 M.2 drives also taking up Sata ports* it means I'll need a pci to sata expansion port as well and need recommendations on any make/model for them.
I'm also not totally sold on the motherboard. I'd like to stick with Asus as I'm used to their boards and had good results with them over the years, but I wonder if there isn't a better board for gaming with performance wise. Of course not all boards have built in wifi so if it didn't then that's another expansion slot needed for a wifi card.
Note quite a few parts are port overs from my current system such as one of the disk drives, the graphics card and the hdd and ssd drives. The two disk drives are so I can run physical media (dvd and blueray and music cd) whilst the use of a second drive is to run USA region DVD/blueray because some anime never makes it to the EU region (or if it does its years away) and swapping the region setting on drives can only be done a fixed number of times.
For reference this is my current setup
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/xJMVFT
With the 2060 inside and win 10
*When the M2 is in use it disables 1 Sata port because it shares a connection with it on the motherboard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/08 22:06:33
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I’d go for the i7 10700k rather than the i9 CPU. Unless of course playing PC games isn’t your main reason the upgrade.
Can’t really help you with your questions, that’s just something that jumped out at me.
Also your GPU could do with an upgrade if you’re getting such a powerful CPU. Doesn’t have to be done straight away though of course.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/08 22:09:08
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Thanks El Torro- I did price up a separate build with the 10700K but wasn't sure if the gains were worth the increased costs or if anyone would notice/suggest it.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/8qBLHz
I do agree a beefier graphics card would suit, but as you say they don't have to be done at the same time. Especially right now with the prices on them being heavily inflated unless you buy a prebuilt rig.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/08 22:18:55
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I was suggesting the i7 10700K, your link shows the i9 10900K. My point was that an i7 should do the job almost as well as an i9, at a lower price. The i7 is considered better for games anyway, the i9 shines in other areas I guess.
You’re right about graphics card being a bit crazy to get a hold of at the moment. For your new CPU (whether you go with the i7 or i9) I’d suggest at least a 3060 Ti, though only when / if you can get one at a reasonable price
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/08 22:37:57
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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Ack this is why processors always baffle me with their code names!
Though after a bit more research I'm still leaning toward the 10900K somewhat - mostly for games like Mound and Blade 2 and Red Dead 2 - though also because these days most of my TV viewing is through the computer and I'd like to stick a second screen on so I can game and TV now and then. So having spare cores would, in theory, leave me more open to tinkering around like that without affecting performance.
That said I think some of the reviews I'm reading are people running those games on big screens and besides the side screen for TV/web I won't be looking at nuts stuff like running a game on 2-3 screens at once .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/11 23:02:31
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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A further question. Would it be worth changing from
36GB RAM 3200 CL 16
to
36GB RAM 3600 CL 18
I did some looking around and it seems that even with a higher CL value the difference between the two in game performance is a few fps with the 3600 giving greater gains. So not earth shattering, but for some reason the 3600 is currently a tiny bit cheaper than the 3200 for Corsair Vengeance
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/11 23:15:55
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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To be honest now is the worst time to upgrade or replace parts. thanks to (of course) covid pc part prices are thru the roof.
Literally a year ago i ordered a new video card, a zotac 1660, to upgrade my system. I paid 202 USD for it.
Today that same card goes on amazon today for 450+ usd. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XV7FNR2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The covid monster is blamed for it of course. Still the price of a budget card from a budget maker has more than doubled in one year. Today is a pretty bad time to upgrade.
I'm a pc guy and believe me my heart goes out to you if you need to upgrade, but thanks to covid unless you're very well off it's a horrible tike to do it.
Speaking of being a pc guy I made this to reflect what it's like to build your own.
scottycloak by matt swain, on Flickr
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/11 23:32:29
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm aware that the price of the graphics cards have gone insane, but my new build won't be including one, I'm re-using my current 2060 RTX and will likely stick with that for a good while yet. It's more about getting my processor up to speed and that tends to come with motherboards and such making a step up too.
edit - also I'm wondering if 32GB ram is too much. Granted it might be future proofing me somewhat more so than 16GB, but at the same time I could save £50ish and go down to 16GB RAM and if needed in the future upgrade another 16GB of the same brand (though I've some dim recollection that RAM is fussy stuff and that its best bought all in one go rather than different batches, even if its the same make and model?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/25 01:55:37
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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Just remember to get a case fan that fits - turns out my case has an undersized fan mount that neither me nor my friend knew about until I got it and woops - my case fan was too big! He's managed to get me know of the correct size but cant install it thanks to covid, so im sitting here running on my heatsinks fan and things get a little toasty (77 degrees at one point) if I try to play higher end games. TL;DR double check everything will fit the case.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/25 11:08:37
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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As nice as Dakka is though, I recommend you check out a computer nerd forum rather than a wargaming nerd forum for computer advice. They're usually a lot more knowledgable.
master of ordinance wrote:Just remember to get a case fan that fits - turns out my case has an undersized fan mount that neither me nor my friend knew about until I got it and woops - my case fan was too big!
He's managed to get me know of the correct size but cant install it thanks to covid, so im sitting here running on my heatsinks fan and things get a little toasty (77 degrees at one point) if I try to play higher end games.
TL;DR double check everything will fit the case.
I think unless you're intentionally going for a small form factor case, stick to ones that take 120mm fans. 120mm fans are generally quieter and move more air for the same RPM than smaller (eg, 92mm) fans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/25 18:40:40
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:As nice as Dakka is though, I recommend you check out a computer nerd forum rather than a wargaming nerd forum for computer advice. They're usually a lot more knowledgable.
master of ordinance wrote:Just remember to get a case fan that fits - turns out my case has an undersized fan mount that neither me nor my friend knew about until I got it and woops - my case fan was too big!
He's managed to get me know of the correct size but cant install it thanks to covid, so im sitting here running on my heatsinks fan and things get a little toasty (77 degrees at one point) if I try to play higher end games.
TL;DR double check everything will fit the case.
I think unless you're intentionally going for a small form factor case, stick to ones that take 120mm fans. 120mm fans are generally quieter and move more air for the same RPM than smaller (eg, 92mm) fans.
The fan I had was 140mm, turns out my case is fittted for 120mm.
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/26 06:59:29
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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master of ordinance wrote:AllSeeingSkink wrote:As nice as Dakka is though, I recommend you check out a computer nerd forum rather than a wargaming nerd forum for computer advice. They're usually a lot more knowledgable.
master of ordinance wrote:Just remember to get a case fan that fits - turns out my case has an undersized fan mount that neither me nor my friend knew about until I got it and woops - my case fan was too big!
He's managed to get me know of the correct size but cant install it thanks to covid, so im sitting here running on my heatsinks fan and things get a little toasty (77 degrees at one point) if I try to play higher end games.
TL;DR double check everything will fit the case.
I think unless you're intentionally going for a small form factor case, stick to ones that take 120mm fans. 120mm fans are generally quieter and move more air for the same RPM than smaller (eg, 92mm) fans.
The fan I had was 140mm, turns out my case is fittted for 120mm.
Ah okay, I figured by "undersized" you meant 92mm, as 120mm is by far the most common fan size for home built computers.
But yeah, good idea to check stuff fits. The more common ones are buying an oversized graphics card that crashes into your hard drive trays or front fans, or buying a case with too few hard drive slots (and these days perhaps buying one without a CD/DVD/bluray slot if you want one). If you're getting a custom cooler that can also be a common one to make a mistake (buying a cooler too tall for the case, or buying RAM which is too tall for the cooler to fit around).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/26 22:39:29
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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Yep! And sometimes people get components that dont even fit the mother board  I have heard some good tales, from people getting the wrong RAM cards to people getting entire setups that dont fit the motherboard.
Remember, always premeasure and check.
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/26 22:58:04
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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It's part of the reason I always go for a full tower - that and it gives me room to build in since I don't build PCs enough to be skilled at all the ins and outs. It's also why I like PC Part Picker.
From what I can tell, at least parts wise, I should be good with these choices in terms of size.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/02/27 06:33:53
Subject: PC upgrade build questions
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Overread wrote:It's part of the reason I always go for a full tower - that and it gives me room to build in since I don't build PCs enough to be skilled at all the ins and outs. It's also why I like PC Part Picker.
From what I can tell, at least parts wise, I should be good with these choices in terms of size.
Even "full sized case" can be deceptive, sometimes there's a hard drive tray which crashes into oversized graphics cards even in larger cases, or a side fan that will crash into a tall CPU cooler.
My last case was pretty large, primarily because I was going for a near-silent build so wanted lots of room for airflow using low speed fans. But my most recent build I decided to go smaller because the oversized case was just annoyingly large and heavy. Difficult to move, took too much desk space and depending on where I put it, it's hard to reach the connections at the back. So this time I went more normal size, not tiny or anything, just not big.
But these days it's pretty easy to figure out if parts fit. I don't build a lot of computers either, but I had no trouble finding all the necessary dimensions to check things fit even with my propensity to buy giant graphics cards and giant CPU coolers. I think manufacturers are more aware these days that people need to know if stuff fits before they buy it.
It's harder to figure out if your motherboard does everything you need it to do, but there again if you're not a weirdo like me who buys lots of drives and accessories, it won't be a problem for your average person.
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