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2021/02/16 01:36:25
Subject: [2000] - dark angels - the legendary tri wing
so this is a list for everyday play and not tournaments or comp environments, probably going to get no comments because people on here are deathly afraid of legends units. but i will try anyway, i think i have a real winner here for stacking bonuses and benefits in a creative way, solving problems and making units incredible, AND making a wholly unique deathwing vanguard detachment sure to turn heads. i give each list a creative name if i can and this one gets the name bone thugs and harmony, because i have deathwing in force, i have the angry scary units deathwing lists are famous for, and i have achieved a harmony with each wing having 4 units or representation
deathwing vanguard detachment
HQ:
land raider excelsior, deathwing vehicle, extra warlord trait for watched (225, -1cp)
this is my take on the deathwing vanguard, the land raider normally wouldn't get a warlord trait but the dark angels warlord traits DONT posses limitations against vehicle HQ's taking them if their deathwing, i only get to pick the deathwing traits but thats still amazing, the pair of terminator squads give me flexibility in deciding who i want in the land raider between matches. and i have watched to shield the land raider from spells or the terminators adding to their resilience
in addition the land raiders reroll aura is HUGE and doesn't discriminate against core units, my other detachment contains 1 which makes it pretty awesome
ravenwing champion, chapter champion, armor indomnitus, hero of the chapter (-1cp) martial exemplar (85)
the ravenwing champion lets me get rerolls to charge on units as i need it and he isnt no slouch at melee himself either as a sacrifical lamb or mopping up or supporting other units melee charges, the dark talon gets reroll 1's from the land raider up to 14" away which is HUGE, it says 12" but it measures from the hulls edge picking up a few extra inches which gives him the freedom he needs to not be tied down. the reroll aura also benefits the inceptors who might not want to be supporting others and instead praying on a distant target further afield.
the techmarine can provide the excelsior repairs and his bs2+ which he would normally need the rhino primaris for which isnt bad but we can do better with him, hes probably going to die early on but if hes had a chance to repair a hulkl once or twice hes done his job, the reroll auras also make weapons from the dark age even better, and i have plenty of trinary alternate targets which may be useful from time to time. i have good anti heavy infantry and tank damage as i need it from a variety of sources, good melee brawl potential from the th/ss and lcs terminators and the champion and even the land raider can get stuck in, he may not have good AP but hes got good strength and 6 melee strikes with reroll 1's and ws3 at his top bracket, not bad
some music for your time
DA army: 3500pts,
admech army: 600pts
ravenguard: 565 pts
2021/02/17 17:29:00
Subject: [2000] - dark angels - the legendary tri wing
Not afraid of Legends models, but nobody I game with or events I attend use them, so I don't really bother with them.
Page 46 of the DA supplement states the if a Deathwing Character (those are keywords) is your Warlord, you can select the Deathwing Warlord trait. I'm fairly sure the Land Raider Excelsior does not possess the Character keyword and unable to have the Warlord trait you have selected. However, that Warlord trait can be game changing and definitely worth trying to fit into an army.
Personally, I'm not a fan of Land Raiders. Some armies may have some challenges, but those get removed in a single turn when I face them. The 5++ is not enough additional defense in my opinion. YMMV.
What secondary objectives do you choose? I've found knowing what secondaries an army can perform well with helps tremendously.
No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby.
2021/02/17 21:06:10
Subject: [2000] - dark angels - the legendary tri wing
Yeah I'm pretty sure it was FAQed that vehicles can't have traits or relics as they aren't characters. Checked this on BS and there was no option for selecting them.
2021/02/18 22:11:35
Subject: [2000] - dark angels - the legendary tri wing
LynxSarnage wrote: Yeah I'm pretty sure it was FAQed that vehicles can't have traits or relics as they aren't characters. Checked this on BS and there was no option for selecting them.
BS also wont acknowledge that the excelsior makes a legal vanguard detachment
and says that our relic plasma pistol replaces a bolt pistol
such accuracy
DA army: 3500pts,
admech army: 600pts
ravenguard: 565 pts
2021/02/18 23:23:19
Subject: [2000] - dark angels - the legendary tri wing
LynxSarnage wrote: Yeah I'm pretty sure it was FAQed that vehicles can't have traits or relics as they aren't characters. Checked this on BS and there was no option for selecting them.
BS also wont acknowledge that the excelsior makes a legal vanguard detachment
and says that our relic plasma pistol replaces a bolt pistol
such accuracy
I gotta agree the codex is worded very oddly worded like “stubborn tenacity” it even says “if the model does not explode” basically saying a vehicle if you look also most of them say “the model” not specifying infantry, biker, or tank. And yeah don’t trust battlescribe right off the bat it’s gonna be wrong 90% of the time until all the codex are released for 9th and maybe even nearer to 10th.
2021/02/19 00:18:32
Subject: [2000] - dark angels - the legendary tri wing
Ok so as people seem to want get up in my face I went and looked it up. Under the warlord trait section and the strategem it states character model, the Excelsior doesn't have the character keyword and thus can't take a trait.
I also suggest you update your copy of BS as I went and checked a DA vanguard and the Excelsior fitted fine with no errors.
