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A space marine has never truely lived up to its proper power level on the table in any eddition I have played. Except in 5th eddtion there were some special army rule which allowed them to do well (Salamanders/BA/SW) I dont recall necrons at the time then but they couldn't have been great with no one really playing them. In 7th they were basically equal in power with a marine being harder to put down (not saying much) but the warrior having a much more useful weapon and being a bit cheaper with a lower initiative. When the super formations came out - they were - essentially equal.

The decision to make mini marines 2 wounds was a strange one but one that should have been there all along. A marine should be drastically better on the table than a warrior (which is essentially an undead citizen robot soul) A marine is literally a hyper specialized killing machine.

Whats funny is - I think this eddition is the first eddition to get the dynamic right. The Warriors edge if it has one should be technology and it should be deficient to a marine in several other ways. Finally they have got it right.

Then when we get to the elite troop level. Primaris marines/Immortals...yet again - we have the same discrepancy. The marine has a slight edge in both melee and overall durability but inferior tech - worse gun and worse ability to repair battle damage.


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 Sasori wrote:

Galas wrote:Exactly. As they are now, Warriors allow necron players to play a necron horde AND some of the more interesting stuff that they have gained in the past 20 years.

If you want that old warrior terminator fell you can spam Inmortals with support characters and I'll asure you, you'll feel the same. Put a blob of inmortals agaisnt a blob of space marine troop infantry and they'll shredd them.

Galas wrote:I can agree that Necron Praetorians and Lychguard could probably be tougther and more scary. I mean, they are really scary, but when compared with marine terminators they aren't that scary.

This is 100% where I am at right now. I really like where the Necron Warriors are right now. They've got better weapons that standard Tac marines, and the ability to get back up consistently while being cheap enough to bring as a horde. If I want a more elite style, I'll bring Warriors which feels much like the old playstyle in 4th did.

I do agree that I wish Lychguard and Praetorians were a bit tougher like Terminators

They are T5 Str 5. Terms are 4/4. Just have 3 wounds instead of 2. Terms also have 1 less attack. The only place the lych/pretorians are lacking is in their weapons - they don't have the option for str 8 attacks.