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Is there anything that specifcally states one MUST roll to avoid damage if the ability exists?

Only asking because last night my opponent "chose not to" on his FnP and then rolled extremely lucky on his exploding, and blue up several of my units. Is this legal?

The BrB states:

IGNORING WOUNDS
Some models have rules that give them a chance to ignore
wounds. If a model has more than one such rule, you can only
use one of those rules each time the model loses a wound
(including wounds lost due to mortal wounds).

He pointed to "Chance" as it's optional. I can't force him to use it, and I can't find anything that states he MUST make a FnP roll, only a saving throw.

Any special FAQs cover the mandate over usage of FnP?

It'll depend what the source rule says. Does it say "may" or does it just say "whenever it suffers a wound, roll for this"?


For example, this one doesn't include the "may" clause, so would HAVE to be rolled for:





Actually... I did a few checks on a few rules that I know give this kind of ability, and I don't see ANY with the "may" clause.


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Also, "chance" in this context clearly refers to the fact that it is a random result. You have a "chance" to ignore the wound when you roll the dice, just as you have exactly relatable "chance" that you fail to do so.

It depends on how the FNP ability is worded.

For Blood Angels their Black Rage says "Each time a model in this unit would lose a wound, roll one D6: on a 6 that wound is not lost." So this is mandatory.

What ability did he have?

It was a Venerable dreadnaught. And I didn't ask to look at the actual model rules, he just showed me the book. And I kinda was like, wow, I never looked at that wording. Lesson learned, always look at the model's wording.

Odd that the BRB has different wording than the actual model. It's not just "chance" that threw me, but "Can".

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Is there anything that specifcally states one MUST roll to avoid damage if the ability exists?

Only asking because last night my opponent "chose not to" on his FnP and then rolled extremely lucky on his exploding, and blue up several of my units. Is this legal?

The BrB states:

IGNORING WOUNDS
Some models have rules that give them a chance to ignore
wounds. If a model has more than one such rule, you can only
use one of those rules each time the model loses a wound
(including wounds lost due to mortal wounds).

He pointed to "Chance" as it's optional. I can't force him to use it, and I can't find anything that states he MUST make a FnP roll, only a saving throw.

Any special FAQs cover the mandate over usage of FnP?

Word "chance" doesn't mean "optional" in English, let alone your opponent is incorrectly cherry picking words out of context to support his argument.

Umm there is precedent for choosing specifically in relation to graia electropriests with two fnps both were musts

U02dah4 wrote:
Umm there is precedent for choosing specifically in relation to graia electropriests with two fnps both were musts

...which is why the BRB rule states you can only use one of those FNP rules, not both.

the OP's problem was that the other player basically said "i choose to not make a FNP roll because the explosion of this unit could be beneficial for me". And He is asking can a player refuse to use FNP if he has the option, and the standard wording of the FNP rules is that you must make the roll, not may make the roll.

the other player decided to point to the word "chance" in the BRB to argue that he doesnt have to, but that's clearly a twisting of both the RAW and RAI. "Chance" is referring to the chance you might not take the wound due to making the FNP roll, not that you can choose to attempt it or not.


so, yhea, your opponent has 100% pulled a fast one.

Not the first time, and won't be the last time. With the exception of BCB, I truly doubt anyone has ever read 100% of the BRB cover to cover and can cite it's many FAQs at will in a given situation.

I fully submit myself to the will of the Rules Counsel for censure and torture of being forced to moderate the Off Topic Political forums....

Unyielding Ancient: Each time this model would lose a wound, roll one D6: on a 6, that wound is not lost. - The VenDread FNP in question.

There is no selection factor, it happens every time a wound is lost on the model.

As the others have said, it's mandatory. I don't think any rules have optional wording for Ignore Wound style effects (at least I can't think of any off the top of my head).

Sidenote, as the question has been answered at length: a Venerable Dreadnought only inflicts 1 mortal wound on units within 3" when it explodes.