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Armpit of NY

I'm not sure it's going to help much, but NOVA is asking for donations for there to be a 2022 event after two years of no Open. https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-nova-open-survive-covid
   
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Out of my Mind

I sincerely doubt that an unsuccessful crowdfunding campaign will kill the NOVA OPEN.

The loss of any event this size would be a loss for the community in the area, especially one with a very successful Charity event. From the side of 40k, it would be much more appealing if they had just stuck with playing 40k over the past few editions, instead of ignoring it in favor of their own format. If it had remained confined to the NOVA OPEN like it should've been from the start, then the 'Matched Play' rules probably wouldn't have made it into the game and we'd have a much more inclusive edition than what exists now.

I remain optimistic that it will go away. I was under the impression that the only way for the NOVA OPEN (and others like it) would only die if the organizers themselves were to kill it. There is an opportunity here for it to go away. Which would allow GW to fix the game. This will allow more players to participate back into the Tournament Scene, and it would become more about Competitive 40k and less about Competitive Matched Play. Then we would get 'Metawatch Articles' written by 40k players opposed to 'Event Gurus', and be applicable to anyone who plays 40k. Not just those who subscribe to the worst format to ever have existed in the history of the game.

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As somebody who loves NOVA and definitely extremely torn up that it didn't happen the last two years...

Why are they apparently expanding if they're just trying to survive? You'd think they would cut back and just use the software they've been successfully running conventions with, they would keep volunteer staff instead of paid staff, etc.

Now seems to be the time to take a hit and downsize to what they were at a few years ago, not try to make the biggest NOVA ever.
   
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That was what i thought. Itkeeps up saying sxrvive. Yet lists enpense increases to increase size.

That's not what you do when your goal is survival.

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I get that expenses can increase quite a lot as you grow, especially for things like storing the terrain and all the other stuff you need to run such a large event - a quick search shows a 10' x 30' storage space for just over $900 a month in the DC area. And that's costs you're paying regardless of whether the convention runs or not, so the last two years have incurred those costs without any revenue to fund it.

However, it does seem really odd that most of the expenses they list are about expanding through adding paid staff and updating their management software. That seems like a really odd decision if you're just trying to survive. Running a smaller convention (or one the same size as pre-pandemic) isn't a failure, it's not even a bad idea. I think even if Nova ran at a reduced size for a couple of years to get back on its feet that would seem reasonable. Asking for money to "survive" then talking about expanding doesn't send the best message. It just seems like a lot of the things they're listing as expenses aren't actually expenses, they're capital investment required to grow. I think it would be much more effective if they'd show the costs they've already incurred (such as storage) rather than ones they're going to incur in the future if they want to expand.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

i'd also wonder if by paid staff they actually mean brand new people they plan to employ

or

the conversion of some or all of the voluntary positions people already involved in the Nova open are filling into paid positions filled by the same people

(not necessarily a bad thing, especially as covid may mean some of the volunteers might not be in a position to offer their services free)

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

It might be that they are expecting/hoping that 2022 will be a boom year. Basically they are banking on the vaccines working and being distributed in enough quantity and reach that the USA at least will be safe to socialise in. They are thus perhaps thinking that people will go out like nuts in 2022 to make up for the 1-2 years they've been denied it thus far.

So they are gearing up and preparing for a big expansion and thus hoping they can ride that wave next year.



Plus in the end if it isn't a boom year and they've raised funds, they can scale back as needed. It might also be that they are also hoping that these funds will last them 2022 as well IF the vaccines and such don't work; or if distribution isn't enough or whatever and 2022 ends up another year they can't run (or can run but with social distancing and much reduced in capacity etc...)

   
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I can't find the survey results but it was something like 40/40/20 for "won't show if vax proof required", "won't show without vax requirements", "don't care".

Ditching the 40% of the community that puts the tiniest possible amount of medical data possible as out of bounds after they handed it (and more!) over for school and college is necessary for NoVA to live. There's no way it hits 200k.
   
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PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I can't find the survey results but it was something like 40/40/20 for "won't show if vax proof required", "won't show without vax requirements", "don't care".

Ditching the 40% of the community that puts the tiniest possible amount of medical data possible as out of bounds after they handed it (and more!) over for school and college is necessary for NoVA to live. There's no way it hits 200k.


200k seems like a very high target. Apparently 3000 people attended the last one, meaning if every one of those were to donate they'd each need to donate just under $67 each. The current average donation is above that number but they'd need almost 2,200 donations at that level to hit their target. Seems unlikely.

I think a big unknown is how large events like Nova will need to be run post-Covid. Will there be any vaccination requirement is a good question a lot of people will want to know before committing to attending.
   
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PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I can't find the survey results but it was something like 40/40/20 for "won't show if vax proof required", "won't show without vax requirements", "don't care".

Ditching the 40% of the community that puts the tiniest possible amount of medical data possible as out of bounds after they handed it (and more!) over for school and college is necessary for NoVA to live. There's no way it hits 200k.


Oh no. I never bothered to look at the survey results.

That's disappointing.
   
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Slipspace wrote:
PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I can't find the survey results but it was something like 40/40/20 for "won't show if vax proof required", "won't show without vax requirements", "don't care".

Ditching the 40% of the community that puts the tiniest possible amount of medical data possible as out of bounds after they handed it (and more!) over for school and college is necessary for NoVA to live. There's no way it hits 200k.


200k seems like a very high target. Apparently 3000 people attended the last one, meaning if every one of those were to donate they'd each need to donate just under $67 each. The current average donation is above that number but they'd need almost 2,200 donations at that level to hit their target. Seems unlikely.

I think a big unknown is how large events like Nova will need to be run post-Covid. Will there be any vaccination requirement is a good question a lot of people will want to know before committing to attending.


I find it unlikely that any event like NOVA is going to require anything more than what state/local/venue regulations require of them. So ball is really in a different court.

Regarding the donations, I've somewhat wondered if Brandt doesn't see closing NOVA as somewhat of a relief since he's full time with GW now. I'm not trying to throw shade on him (in case you're reading, Brandt, since I know you lurk here) and not saying that'd be bad, just something that occurred to me. Likely, another tournament takes NOVA's place if it goes down since the East Coast won't really have a flagship one without it. Nature abhors a vacuum and all that.

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I thought Brandt stepped down from NOVA when he accepted the job from GW?
   
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Rihgu wrote:
I thought Brandt stepped down from NOVA when he accepted the job from GW?


Did he? I don't get the newsletter or anything so it might've happened and I missed it.
   
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Audustum wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
I thought Brandt stepped down from NOVA when he accepted the job from GW?


Did he? I don't get the newsletter or anything so it might've happened and I missed it.


I did, correct.

In re all of this, NOVA costs in excess of 200k a year to run. The staff bit is because Laurie Brandt, who has been working on it full time as a volunteer for nearly a decade, is getting older and would like to enjoy retirement and being a grandma. Her work's been amazing, but getting another full timer with that skillset probably isn't likely without actually paying someone, and a full time person managing the back office stuff is just necessary I think.

And I stepped down to avoid any appearance of impropriety and ensure all events around the world got attention.

I'm fully confident the GoFundMe will be helpful at keeping Nova going, and the team running it is comprised of longtime board members and volunteers. Since NOVA always donated anything above what it NEEDED to charity, its coffers weren't well situated for two straight years of cancellations. But it'll be back. I'm confident. And I'll be happily attending with the GW events team and all that jazz.

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MVBrandt wrote:
Audustum wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
I thought Brandt stepped down from NOVA when he accepted the job from GW?


Did he? I don't get the newsletter or anything so it might've happened and I missed it.


I did, correct.

In re all of this, NOVA costs in excess of 200k a year to run. The staff bit is because Laurie Brandt, who has been working on it full time as a volunteer for nearly a decade, is getting older and would like to enjoy retirement and being a grandma. Her work's been amazing, but getting another full timer with that skillset probably isn't likely without actually paying someone, and a full time person managing the back office stuff is just necessary I think.

And I stepped down to avoid any appearance of impropriety and ensure all events around the world got attention.

I'm fully confident the GoFundMe will be helpful at keeping Nova going, and the team running it is comprised of longtime board members and volunteers. Since NOVA always donated anything above what it NEEDED to charity, its coffers weren't well situated for two straight years of cancellations. But it'll be back. I'm confident. And I'll be happily attending with the GW events team and all that jazz.


Yeah, most people are going to want payment now, especially with lockdowns tightening belts. It's gonna be rough replacing folks. Good luck to them.

As a regular attendee, I do look forward to hopefully seeing you all again one day.
   
 
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