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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/25 07:56:09
Subject: Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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So I wanted to get into warhammer for years but the starter set was always Orks or Tyranids and Space Marines. The $800+ cost for minis to make even a small army before I could even try the game out and find out if I liked them or not really kept me away from the game for years and years. $80 or more AUD for a single squad of minis then needing 25 different paint pots to paint them like recommended with each of the 25 paint pots each being between $6 and $12 AUD it was just impossible. The discounted way which was the Start Collecting thing was $165 AUD which was even more impossible even if it would have saved me $400 in the end. I just never had a spare $165 in one go in the last 10 years.
So going into a store last week I found out the current starter sets are Space Marines and Necrons and I got a Recruit Edition and the Overlord with the Scythe looking thing and orb. The thought was maybe to get a Command Edition to pair with this Recruit Edition. Does that work well? Does that give me enough to make an army for a small game or am I still short?
Btw The Canoptek Wraiths kinda look ugh to me, can you still get the old Necron Wraith model at all? Also, can you get the old Necron Wraiths in plastic?
There are a few Necron models I don't like including the Reanimator, Plasmacyte and the Psychomancer and I'm worried I may need to use them or my army will be garbage :( I'm also kinda concerned because I hear like other races Necrons can't fight alongside other armies at all ever? Yet I also hear they apparently used to be able to.
As for the Space marines in the 2 starter sets, I was thinking of making them Chaos Space Marines (Someone mentioned to me that Thousand Sons are Egyptian so maybe that) but the store mentioned these space marines are Primarys or something like that and none of the Primarys are corrupted by the warp? He said I could do it and come up with my own backstory for them. But it seems stupid to come up with a backstory if no one's going to ever hear it. Wouldn't 2 people just decide to play and then get to playing and that's it?
Also from what I can tell the Overlord comes with a Scythe like weapon that's actually a Hyperphase Glaive (even though it's shaped like a scythe, not a glaive) but doesn't come with any of the other weapon options listed on the weapons list so I assume I'm meant to just tell people he has a Warscythe or a Voidblade or a Staff of Light and the like?
They only seemed to sell two Overlord's at the shop and the second one is called "Necron Overlord with Warscythe" which is funny since that Warscythe looks more like a glaive than the glaive ones weapon does lol and vice versa.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/25 08:14:22
Subject: Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Like looking in to a mirror from 4 years ago. Actually scary.
For necrons a good start would be to get some more scarabs, and a few units of warriors. Then build specific stuff comes in, which I am sure necron players here will help you with. The Ctans is a good and powerful model, but it is another big kit, and as much as a must have it is, I don't think you want one right now.
As the marines goes. I guess you could, if your opponents allow it, play them as CSM marines with pistols and close combat weapons. But it depends on the if they allow it. The good thing about marines though, is that unless you start puting litteral chaos god icons on your models, you can paint and model them what ever you like. There are even mutant loyalist marines with actual claws and bone crests, or albions with black eyes etc. As long as the stuff you build isn't confusing, people probably won't mind how it is painted or how it looks. And you are right that a lot of opponents will not be interested in your armies back story.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/25 08:22:54
Subject: Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Bloodthirsty Bloodletter
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A a Necron collector, and before we answer, here's my question -
Are you interested in tournament lists/requirements (which by your flag of Australia is going to be a wildly different from other places) or are you in Necrons because you think they're cool?
Oh and no, you can't get plastic 'classic' Wraiths. They were never plastic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/25 08:24:11
Subject: Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Hello and welcome!
I'm not a Necron player but I was also pretty disappointed with the change to the wraith models. I don't think the old wraith models were ever plastic - but the good/bad news is that the new Ophidian Destroyers are pretty much an update of the old wraith models:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ophydian-Destroyers-2020
Good news if you like the aesthetic, but possibly bad news if you want to run them as wraiths - would be confusing using an existing new model as a different existing model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/25 08:59:52
Subject: Re:Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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Well on the but cheaper front, you could look into picking up the necron half of the now out of print Indomitus box. It basically contained the stuff of the various starter boxes but even cheaper.
Idk how the secondary market functions in your neck of the woods, but I was able to pick up 3 necron halfs at about 50 euros each. Necrons also had the forgebane box, so you might be able to find some stuff from that as well (Lychguard or Immortals would be good)
The old warriors also tend to come pretty cheaply, and in large numbers.
Reanimators: Playable after the point cut, but definitely not necessary.
Plasmacyte: If you want to play Skorpheks you should probably run one. It's always possible to convert something you like more. Someone made one out of spare warrior torsos that looked pretty cool.
Psychomancer: Not necessary.
Allies are no longer a thing, that was 7th Edition I believe.
Generally, there shouldn't be a problem with Overlord Wargear, but then again I'm in Europe where WYSIWYG isn't a thing mostly.
What are you looking to build/what models do you like?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/25 11:22:53
Subject: Re:Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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BroodSpawn wrote:A a Necron collector, and before we answer, here's my question -
Are you interested in tournament lists/requirements (which by your flag of Australia is going to be a wildly different from other places) or are you in Necrons because you think they're cool?
Oh and no, you can't get plastic 'classic' Wraiths. They were never plastic.
Always liked Ancient Egypt and this is ancient Egyptian kinda TBH with covid the shops don't even have times to meet random people to play against so atm at least I have no one to play and I suck at strategy so I'm not really gonna be playing in tournaments.
Crispy78 wrote:Hello and welcome!
I'm not a Necron player but I was also pretty disappointed with the change to the wraith models. I don't think the old wraith models were ever plastic - but the good/bad news is that the new Ophidian Destroyers are pretty much an update of the old wraith models:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ophydian-Destroyers-2020
Good news if you like the aesthetic, but possibly bad news if you want to run them as wraiths - would be confusing using an existing new model as a different existing model.
I like the aesthetic so yay ty for showing me those they look cooler even than the original wraiths.
Irdiumstern wrote:Well on the but cheaper front, you could look into picking up the necron half of the now out of print Indomitus box. It basically contained the stuff of the various starter boxes but even cheaper.
Idk how the secondary market functions in your neck of the woods, but I was able to pick up 3 necron halfs at about 50 euros each. Necrons also had the forgebane box, so you might be able to find some stuff from that as well (Lychguard or Immortals would be good)
The old warriors also tend to come pretty cheaply, and in large numbers.
Reanimators: Playable after the point cut, but definitely not necessary.
Plasmacyte: If you want to play Skorpheks you should probably run one. It's always possible to convert something you like more. Someone made one out of spare warrior torsos that looked pretty cool.
Psychomancer: Not necessary.
Allies are no longer a thing, that was 7th Edition I believe.
Generally, there shouldn't be a problem with Overlord Wargear, but then again I'm in Europe where WYSIWYG isn't a thing mostly.
What are you looking to build/what models do you like?
Good to know I don't need some of those  though Plasmacyte I feel just looks ugh.
As for what I like. I like sleek and cool looking models without a lot of detail normally. I like symmetry a lot. I prefer stuff dual wielding weapons that look the same. Robes, decorations and standards and the like are just extra noise and doesn't appear to me as much as a space marine in normal armour with 2 pistols or 2 chainswords would. I do like the look of the Thousand Sons
Some other armies in the Xenos have some cool models but not enough nice ones to make a whole army out of hence my desire to make one with allies :(
WYSIWYG seems like a sucky thing if the weapon options don't exist to have on your model :( if I could buy the weapon or buy the model with the right weapon I would.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/26 20:48:25
Subject: Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Perturbed Blood Angel Tactical Marine
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If the space marines you have are assault intercessors from the starter kit, I would just try and sell them and put the money towards actual Thousand Sons kits if that's the direction you want to go. Those particular models won't make great starting points for rubric marine conversions.
For one thing, the Thousand Sons are very ornamental looking so aesthetically, you would have to do a lot of modeling work to get them to fit in with proper Thousand Sons kits you would later buy.
The other issue is that to my limited knowledge, the weapon loadouts aren't compatible with any Thousand Sons unit in their codex.
They would probably make better stand ins for more generic chaos space marines.
As to your question about Necrons and pairing the different start box units, absolutely yes, you can build the strong foundations of a Necron army from them.
A couple large 20 man squads of Warriors, some scarabs, a chronomancer and a Catacomb Command Barge are the core of a lot of good Necrons lists. Units like Skorpekhs that come in the Command box are valuable options to have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/26 20:58:00
Subject: Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Preacher of the Emperor
Hanford, CA, AKA The Eye of Terror
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I just started myself and I managed to score 3!!! halfs of the Indomitus boxed set that my friends and local gamers had been sitting on for a very long time but had no intention of ever finishing. I've got a little overkill of reanimators, skorpek lords and the like but Ive already gone and saved some of the plasmancers and one of the overlords for conversion work once I get more bits. From my recent divinations it seems lots 'o warriors is the solid base of any list then sprinkle in other models to taste. Plus they are hilariously easy to paint if you grab one of the metallic sprays!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/26 21:05:04
Subject: Re:Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Since I am not current with 40k and the current Necron codex, I don't know if the Ghost Ark is still good. It used to be great for keeping your Necron Warriors topped up as it made more. It also could carry a 10 warrior unit for contesting Objectives. Similarly, I liked the Annihilation Barge for mobile firepower. And the original Destroyers were decent as well.
As for Thousand Sons, yes, sell off the marines and see if you can get a Start Collecting for Thousand Sons. You'll get 10 Rubic Marines, 10 Tzangors with the 40k conversion bits, and Ahirman in Terminator armor. I see that it is $165 Aus though.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Start-Collecting-Thousand-Sons-2019
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/05/26 21:15:59
Subject: Wanting to start with Necrons, advice?
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Fireknife Shas'el
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peteed1985 wrote:
So going into a store last week I found out the current starter sets are Space Marines and Necrons and I got a Recruit Edition and the Overlord with the Scythe looking thing and orb. The thought was maybe to get a Command Edition to pair with this Recruit Edition. Does that work well? Does that give me enough to make an army for a small game or am I still short?
Recruit + Command gets you a Royal Warden, Overlord, 20 Warriors, 6 scarabs, 3 Skorpekh Destroyers and a Plasmacyte. Going by Codex Necrons that's 650 points. Most people would consider 500pts to be the smallest game they'd play, so I think you're good to go for 500 point games. Add in the other Overlord (140 points with Res Orb and Voidscythe) and you're at 790 points. You could get another Recruit edition for another 10 warriors (130 points) and 3 more Scarabs (45 points) for 965pts. That would be a legal Battalion (3 HQ and 3 Troops plus an Elite and Fast Attack). You'd have to leave out the extra Royal Warden b/c you only have 3 HQ slots. You'd be 35 points shy of 1000 points, but could drop an HQ to free up points for something beefier.
Personally I try to shoot for 1000pts and a Battalion where I can as a start.
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