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Let me begin with saying that I really think 9th edition is one of the best editions of 40k since probably, what, 2002? Of course this is GW we're talking about so "best" is an exceptionally low bar. A child's wading pool really.

Anyhow,

No business could have anticipated COVID, but all businesses were forced to react. GW should have responded to the data that demonstrated how stay at home orders were fuelling hobby purchases and subsequently sped up the Codex releases. Before everyone gets in here with the "but the supply chain!!". Please understand how low-effort and cheaply done the manufacturing and production of these codex are.

Warhammer rules supplements are not vehicles or hospital equipment, they're comic books that make the average fanzine or manga in Japan look like a timeless work of art. It was very much in the realm of power for a 3.74b market cap organisation to respond to current market shaping events and deliver product in a reasonable timeline.

For whatever excuse regarding the delayed codex release schedule that gets trotted out, the reality is that this timeline has damaged the coherency of 9th edition.

Undoubtedly, GW will release 10th edition on schedule. Because of this, at the rate we are receiving 9th editions codexes, the 9th edition of 40k is being undermined by the slow drip of fundamentally necessary adjustments of the game.

9th edition does not "fully" exist until ALL factions have their own codex.


Believe me I know the replies will fill with "but in previous editions many factions never got a codex at all!!". This is true - and that is also a ridiculous and unacceptable metric that can in no way be used to justify appropriate game design. You have to ask better of GW, please. For the price of a fully painted 2000 point army, you deserve better, I promise.
   
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As someone who works in a retail business dealing with the supply chain issues, you're completely wrong about what GW can and can't do for producing books and distributing them in a timely fashion. As a simple example, whilst more complicated affairs than merely printing books, the bike industry (the ones you pedal) is at this point dealing with 600 day lead times. Obviously not the same, but the principle is all the same. In order to print it, they need a printer with the capacity to do it, with the quality to do it to their standard, and in the quantity they need. Considering that GW does most of its printing of China, at least as far as the DE and AdMech codexes show, first you need to get the books into a container, but every other industry on the planet is trying to get things into containers in SE Asia. Bottleneck 1. Once in a container, it needs to get on a boat, that then needs to get to the UK, so that GW can get it in stock and ready to go. Everyone else is trying to get their containers onto boats and to their front door as fast as possible. Bottleneck 2. Once said boat does get to the port where it gets offloaded, it needs to get offloaded, which is often backed up due to high demand for things in low supply, meaning the boat is going to be stuck waiting to be unloaded. Bottleneck 3. This is just the ocean going part of GW getting the codex to their warehouse for distribution to additional warehouses.

Not gonna lie, they're doing okayest with a messed up situation.

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 Gregor Samsa wrote:


No business could have anticipated COVID, but all businesses were forced to react. GW should have responded to the data that demonstrated how stay at home orders were fuelling hobby purchases and subsequently sped up the Codex releases. Before everyone gets in here with the "but the supply chain!!". Please understand how low-effort and cheaply done the manufacturing and production of these codex are.

Warhammer rules supplements are not vehicles or hospital equipment, they're comic books that make the average fanzine or manga in Japan look like a timeless work of art. It was very much in the realm of power for a 3.74b market cap organisation to respond to current market shaping events and deliver product in a reasonable timeline.


I think you're seriously misunderstanding both how the development process for codexes and the publishing schedule works, and how much of an effect Covid has potentially had on both. I'm fairly certain that GW doesn't develop the codexes for every single faction all at the same time, first of all. That means that during the multiple, extended lockdowns that the UK has had since this pandemic started, you had a lot of designers who were completely unable to work on anything. As a result, any design work not to mention playtesting that needs to be done all gets backed up and has to then be scheduled for when employees are able to work again. That causes further delays in the codex design schedule, and so on down the line. Unless you were expecting GW to rush development on unreleased codexes just to get them out and published?

Because there you run into the next problem, which is printing. From what I remember, most if not all of GW's books and codexes are printed in China. Which means that each codex probably has a very tightly scheduled window of time in which it can be printed and shipped. If a print run misses a window, then you have to find room in the schedule to try again... and remember, Covid isn't just a UK problem. China probably had lockdowns as well, during which time nothing is getting printed or shipped by anybody.

We're all excited to get our faction codexes and play more games, but "speed up the codex releases" isn't something that GW can just do at the snap of a finger. To simplify the issue down that much is almost farcical.
   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:
I'm fairly certain that GW doesn't develop the codexes for every single faction all at the same time, first of all.


Playtesters - Tabletop Titans and Tabletop Tactics, IIRC - have said that all the codexes have in fact been playtested, though tweaks have been made since those playtests (For example, the Dark Lance wasn't d3+3 in the playtest versions of the DE codex) but the whole thing is basically artificially hamstrung by an insistence on printed medium.

That said -

Why is it undoubted that 10th edition will be released 'on schedule,' what is that schedule, and... what precisely are you getting at? Codexes should be released faster? Yes, hard agree... Er, because they're hamstrung by an insistence on printed medium (Whether it's stubborness, profit motive, or poorly negotiated contractual obligation) and they had problems because of the pandemic that they wouldn't have had otherwise. There was also Brexit and a botched rollover of their core software that dicked with a lot of things and introduced delays.

Don't get me wrong - I think 9th is a five-star poopshow complete with pyrotechnics and lasers and a goddamn blimp for a lot of reasons, the codex release debacle just one among them, and that buying any of GW's printed material is throwing money at a mushroom cloud. But I think the reasons that the delays exist seem plausible enough, and I don't quite understand why speculated edition timeline crunch had to be brought into it?

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...but you CANT make them ladies. that is the sacred line across which we must throw our bodies and souls! Space Marines can be every conceivable configuration of 'your dudes' imaginable, SO LONG AS YOU DO NOT IMAGINE THEM AS YOUR DUDETTES!"
 
   
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Now I get this image of the design team writing 10th Ed and someone going "But guys! We haven't put out 9th yet!!!".

GW isn't writing 10th. Not yet anyway.

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 Gregor Samsa wrote:
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9th edition does not "fully" exist until ALL factions have their own codex.


Believe me I know the replies will fill with "but in previous editions many factions never got a codex at all!!". This is true - and that is also a ridiculous and unacceptable metric that can in no way be used to justify appropriate game design. You have to ask better of GW, please. For the price of a fully painted 2000 point army, you deserve better, I promise.


Well you can wish to live in utopia unicorn land...but reality is only fool expects to get all codexes during edition as that doesn't happen generally for gw. Not even when edition age was more than 3 years with less books to release.

Also for gw game is never done but always changing.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I get this image of the design team writing 10th Ed and someone going "But guys! We haven't put out 9th yet!!!".

GW isn't writing 10th. Not yet anyway.


Are you sure though? I mean, this IS the big GW we're talking about. These guys were stroking their money hard-ons to 9th rules and releases while they were still dropping the PA books if the short timespan between the last PA book and the announcement of 9th being any indication. Sure, 9th wasn't released until another few months had passed, but that means they had the rules written, formatted, and printed along with everything else in Indomitus by then, especially if you consider the time it took them to reprint the box for the MTO rerun.
   
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9th Edition is the Quagmire Edition


Giggity.
   
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 CEO Kasen wrote:
 Mr. Grey wrote:
I'm fairly certain that GW doesn't develop the codexes for every single faction all at the same time, first of all.


Playtesters - Tabletop Titans and Tabletop Tactics, IIRC - have said that all the codexes have in fact been playtested, though tweaks have been made since those playtests (For example, the Dark Lance wasn't d3+3 in the playtest versions of the DE codex) but the whole thing is basically artificially hamstrung by an insistence on printed medium.

That said -

Why is it undoubted that 10th edition will be released 'on schedule,' what is that schedule, and... what precisely are you getting at? Codexes should be released faster? Yes, hard agree... Er, because they're hamstrung by an insistence on printed medium (Whether it's stubborness, profit motive, or poorly negotiated contractual obligation) and they had problems because of the pandemic that they wouldn't have had otherwise. There was also Brexit and a botched rollover of their core software that dicked with a lot of things and introduced delays.

Don't get me wrong - I think 9th is a five-star poopshow complete with pyrotechnics and lasers and a goddamn blimp for a lot of reasons, the codex release debacle just one among them, and that buying any of GW's printed material is throwing money at a mushroom cloud. But I think the reasons that the delays exist seem plausible enough, and I don't quite understand why speculated edition timeline crunch had to be brought into it?



Funny you blame printed media. Obviously gw does nothing else but books. There's no other things they release. All those models you think are real are just figment mf your imagination.. Oh and everything is released right after completion. Those imagined eldar bikes didn't wait over decade their turn for release.

Also gw doesn't want to release all at once because they know not many can buy 10 armies at once so were they releasing all at once they are competing with each other in the 3 first months that will decide how well product sold in the end.

If gw fastens releases 10x will you buy 10x as much?

Gw's aim is to get as many buy as much as possible. If they overload it's going to hurt their sales as they compete with each other.

They then also need to produce stuff for next releases. Big release, wait before new sales doesn't work. Release=sales, no releases, no real sales.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I get this image of the design team writing 10th Ed and someone going "But guys! We haven't put out 9th yet!!!".

GW isn't writing 10th. Not yet anyway.


Maybe due to covid...but with leadtimes 2 years is pretty much normal for edition. 2020 9e, 2023 10e, 2021 now....so yeah if they weren't already writing it will now.

Aos design work started 2012. Release 2015.

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My suspicion is that all 9th dexes are written, 10th is nearing the end of planning and they are actively working on the transition campaign that will break the game so that 10th can sweep in with the appearance of rescuing it.

8th gave us Vigilus while dexes were being released; 9th gives is Charadon while dexes are being released. Once all the dexes were done, PA came in as the transition campaign. The second campaign for 9th will likely be PA's equivalent.

I try not to be cynical, but after 8th turned out to not be a persistent edition, it's harder for me to believe that 9th could be... Even though I find 9th would be more suitable as a persistent edition.

I hope I'm wrong and that GW finally delivers.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
My suspicion is that all 9th dexes are written, 10th is nearing the end of planning and they are actively working on the transition campaign that will break the game so that 10th can sweep in with the appearance of rescuing it.

8th gave us Vigilus while dexes were being released; 9th gives is Charadon while dexes are being released. Once all the dexes were done, PA came in as the transition campaign. The second campaign for 9th will likely be PA's equivalent.

I try not to be cynical, but after 8th turned out to not be a persistent edition, it's harder for me to believe that 9th could be... Even though I find 9th would be more suitable as a persistent edition.

I hope I'm wrong and that GW finally delivers.

GW is usually 18 months ahead, so they're probably half way through 9th and starting 10th.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Aos design work started 2012. Release 2015.
Which doesn't mean all that much, given that it was less an edition change and more a complete redesign of virtually everything Warhammer. Of course it took longer.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
9th Edition is the Quagmire Edition


Giggity.
Ok you win.



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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
9th Edition is the Quagmire Edition


Giggity.

Indeed. Giggity.

And like Quagmire, 8th was a dumpster fire of parenting and offspring... well, imagine the oozing, festering mess of stds that Quagmire would pass on, as well as the narcissistic opportunism and shallow, weak values system. Yup... the child of Quagmire promises to be delivered accordingly.

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That was a really, really bad way of saying "Because they make more money this way." I get it, sometimes I get a little frothy when I read a post and miss some words - you'll note I stated profit motive as one of the reasons that they might be clinging to traditional printed media and a release schedule so backwards that had n-dimensional backs.

The problem with all those things is that they make the game shittier on the consumer end.

First, they don't strictly have to release models at the same time as the codexes; They certainly didn't use to. I assume they do this because of Chapterhouse and "No model, no rules," but from a purely consumer standpoint this makes the game shittier.

Yes, we get the profit motive that makes the staggered releases - But this makes the game shittier than if your codex was out in a timely fashion.

And this is more cute observation than genuine piece of argument... But strictly speaking, if all the codexes were out, I might not have lost patience with the game entirely and would be spending infinity percent more dollars.

...At this point I'd try to get the thread back on track, but honestly I'm still a little confused as to what this thread was originally supposed to be about.

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...but you CANT make them ladies. that is the sacred line across which we must throw our bodies and souls! Space Marines can be every conceivable configuration of 'your dudes' imaginable, SO LONG AS YOU DO NOT IMAGINE THEM AS YOUR DUDETTES!"
 
   
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 Gregor Samsa wrote:
9th edition does not "fully" exist until ALL factions have their own codex.

The game should be balanced and fun ALL the time. If you think it's worth paying premium for a game in its alpha release? You are an anti-consumer white knight and you should feel ashamed.
   
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 Gregor Samsa wrote:


9th edition does not "fully" exist until ALL factions have their own codex.
.


The assumptions underpinning your argument are all false.

That said, this statement is a particularly egregious stupidity that keeps coming up.

The game is not balanced around Codexes of a particular "edition" or "iteration". Whether X amount of books fall within a certain 3-5 year span between "editions" of the main rulebook is largely irrelevant.

If GW releases a book of army rules a week (either 40K or AoS), it largely means the rules studio is writing a book a week, just maybe 9-12 months ahead the release date. Not always perfectly sequentially mirrored, stuff probably gets pushed forward or backwards on occasion, but in general that's how it is. This week, they might be writing the Codex/Army book that will be released in, say, the 2nd week of January 2022. Next week they'll be writing the book that will be released in the 3rd week of January. The week after that, they'll be writing the book that will be released in the 4th week of January.

The book they are writing this week will be based on what they (and we) are playing today. Maybe last week's book will also be fresh on their mind, but certainly not the book they wrote 4 months ago that will be released on October 2021.

I am not endorsing this as the best way to do this. From a strictly gaming perspective, probably it would be better to hire 500 ruleswriters for a month every 3 years, have them write all the rules and then fire them until you need a new edition 3-4 years later, but that's not how it works.

Either way, bottom line, the assumption that there is an overarching thread that ties in all the rules-publications from an "edition" and separates them from a different "edition", or that "edition" is even a meaningful term beyond the marketing of big boxes is ridiculous.

Judge the game as it is in the moment. When Army X got a Codex relative to the release date of the latest version of the rulebook is largely irrelevant.

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 Gregor Samsa wrote:

Anyhow,

No business could have anticipated COVID, but all businesses were forced to react. GW should have responded to the data that demonstrated how stay at home orders were fuelling hobby purchases and subsequently sped up the Codex releases. Before everyone gets in here with the "but the supply chain!!". Please understand how low-effort and cheaply done the manufacturing and production of these codex are.

Warhammer rules supplements are not vehicles or hospital equipment, they're comic books that make the average fanzine or manga in Japan look like a timeless work of art. It was very much in the realm of power for a 3.74b market cap organisation to respond to current market shaping events and deliver product in a reasonable timeline.


Get back to me when you understand anything about how a global production & supply chain operates.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I get this image of the design team writing 10th Ed and someone going "But guys! We haven't put out 9th yet!!!".

GW isn't writing 10th. Not yet anyway.


But haven't the designer of GW told in interviews that stuff like flyers was being implemented in to the game, way before they had actual flyer rules implemented to interact with the already existing edition? And they write stuff in advance, and from what playtesters say, they don't really care that much about feedback from them, because after the test period they add substential changes to the rules, which we got to enjoy when the playtesters were talking about the codex DE and how what is in the book wasn't what they were testing.

Also if covid mess up their schedul, at least selling model wise it definitly did, we already see them play around with stuff they played months, if not years in advance. You are not going to tell me that GW has a just 2-3 month ahead of time release policy. If that was the case, then they wouldn't be able to just push 1ksons and GK away. I don't think that, just because the people that work in the studios, don't want to lose their jobs and don't leak stuff years in advance. GW had the idea of making assault intercessor or blade guard 6 months before 8th ed ended.

It would also be nothing new for a large company to decide in the middle of an exepension cycle, that for some reasons, they have to suddenly cut or simplify content, because something happened. The gaming industry does it all the time. And GW does it too, in 8th they had breather books which were clearly not as carefully designed as books of other factions. Some books looked and felt as if they were index +warlord traits and relics/stratagems , with little actual design effort put in to them. Chaos as a faction felt as if it got multiple books like that.

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On the GW dog, rules are the tail. Miniatures are the dog. Rules follow with the miniatures the miniature team make.

How else do you explain them having to find a way to fit a giant Centaur into the Destruction faction?

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What is a desctrucion faction?

From what I remember from the interview with the head model designer at the very start of 8th ed, he said that the plans to make primaris went as far back as early 6th edition. That is designing how the new MK type of armour would look like, what the units would be armed with etc.

I have not even a sliver of doubt, that somewhere in the GW HQ there is a file with jump pack or outridder bike mounted HQs for marines, or that the replacements for predators, rhinos, land raiders, speeders, attack bikes etc were ready years in advance of the models actually hiting the shelfs.

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Jokes on them. Imma build my own Inceptor and Aggressor HQs before they give 'em rules!

And what's Destruction? All'a this!

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Sunny Side Up wrote:
From a strictly gaming perspective, probably it would be better to hire 500 ruleswriters for a month every 3 years, have them write all the rules and then fire them until you need a new edition 3-4 years later, but that's not how it works.

*8th edition comes out June 2017 with the indexes, except FW is not separated into its own things.
*GW releases beta rules for new models as they are released.
*December 1st 2017 CA17 is released containing balanced objective secured, WL traits, relics, points and missions for every army.
*October 2017 Deathwatch collectors guide is released as the team had extra time. This contains fluff, pictures, dioramas, guides for Deathwatch and the complete rules for Kill Team, but no rules for regular matched play.
*December 1st 2018 CA18 is released adding Stratagems for every army and updating CA17 content in line with the new Stratagems. Necron datasheets are poorly written so Necrons get a new mini-index as well.
*January 2018 Imperial Guard collectors guide is released as the team had extra time. This contains missions, fluff, pictures, dioramas, guides for Imperial Guard and map campaigns usable by all players, but no rules for regular matched play. These sorts of releases continue whenever the team has time. Space Marines collectors guide with Crusade, Genestealer Cults with Tactical Deployment, etc, etc.
*December 1st 2019 CA19 is released adding Chapter Tactic for every army and updating CA18 content in line with the new Chapter Tactics. Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, etc get new mini-indexes that include their new units that were using beta rules from the Warhammer Community website previously.
*December 1st 2020 9th edition and CA20 is released adding Combat Doctrines for every army and updating CA19 content in line with the new Combat Doctrines. Space Marines and a few others get a new mini-index to update old or include new datasheets.
*December 1st 2021 CA21 is released updating CA20 content, it now contains Relics, Warlord Traits, Chapter Tactics, Combat Doctrines and Stratagems for every army as well as tournament missions.

You don't need 500 ruleswriters, nobody needs to be periodically laid off. GW would not be able to sell Psychic Awakening by holding balance hostage, but they could just increase the cost of CA or the mini-indexes to compensate or sell Psychic Awakening novels instead of campaign supplements. Having a game that is balanced all the time instead of 3 months every 3 years, would be invaluable.

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They can and should put off 10th edition to account for the issues going forward. As is their way however they will stumble bum through whatever is the worst idea but for me I suppose I could just skip this edition as by the time I'd get any good use out of the books I'd buy, they will be worthless.

The current pacing of a new edition every 3 years is not long enough to even enjoy a good edition, that is assuming they get it right which they still haven't.

GW gonna GW, and what that means is they won't change and keep churning and burning. I just feel bad for everyone buying all these books just to keep getting an incomplete edition and not time to even enjoy it along the way. People should want better but I get it, they are doing their best.
   
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I love that this entire topic rests on the completely unsubstantiated concept that there is a planned release date for 10th and that GW will stick to that date no matter what.

Guess the OP ran out of other things to complain about this week.

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Well there is that one time, when GW had to push stuff for WFB and the gap between last WFB booka and the new AoS turned in to something around 2 months. And GW did not care about it one bit. Remember the PA updates in 8th, GW could have extended 8th, could have postponed stuff, specially when the covid started rolling out, but they droped the edition according to their plans right in the middle of it. So if 9th was planed and came out, when it was suppose to come out, why wouldn't 10th be anything different?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Jokes on them. Imma build my own Inceptor and Aggressor HQs before they give 'em rules!

And what's Destruction?


Ah okey, my knowaldge about AoS is limited.


And I am not saying people don't do their own stuff. Maybe not aggresor characters, but I have seen a lot of jump pack smash hammers and biker HQs build out of the outridder box or kitbashed out of storm cast, classic marines and primaris parts. I don't think GW cares much about people that already bought their armies, and specially when they bought 2-3 boxs just to make one or two characters.

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No one is saying GW could have done anything to expedite the shipping of printed material. But what they absolutely could have done is to say "hey COVID has massively disrupted our ability to ship print media, so in order to preserve the integrity of the carefully planned and designed release schedule of 9th edition materials, we will release the codex through digital distribution on time, and people will get their hard copies when it is possible."

doesn't everyone think that would have been a much better response to COVID than this?

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Giggity.

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 Gregor Samsa wrote:
No one is saying GW could have done anything to expedite the shipping of printed material ...


No business could have anticipated COVID, but all businesses were forced to react. GW should have responded to the data that demonstrated how stay at home orders were fuelling hobby purchases and subsequently sped up the Codex releases. Before everyone gets in here with the "but the supply chain!!". Please understand how low-effort and cheaply done the manufacturing and production of these codex are.


I call troll. Has to be right? Cadian 5th got a sock puppet account maybe?

Also:

Warhammer rules supplements are not vehicles or hospital equipment, they're comic books that make the average fanzine or manga in Japan look like a timeless work of art. It was very much in the realm of power for a 3.74b market cap organisation to respond to current market shaping events and deliver product in a reasonable timeline.


The ignorance implicit in the op was pretty breath taking. Even for Dakka. But that paragraph specifically .... just ....

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Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug

Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..." 
   
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Killer Klaivex




The dark behind the eyes.

 Ordana wrote:
I love that this entire topic rests on the completely unsubstantiated concept that there is a planned release date for 10th and that GW will stick to that date no matter what.


I mean, they stuck to 9th's release date in the face of a global pandemic so it's hardly an unreasonable assumption.

 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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Wicked Ghast




I don't think it's anywhere near as easy as you think it is. To release products, and to get rules down, all of it. I think you are looking at it saying "well, if I were the benevolent dictator, then it would be perfect" and that's just not the way the world works.

I cannot imagine the challenges the development team face, especially when they were under the extremely stringent guidelines for covid response.

Also, I have no idea what or when the tenth edition release is, and you don't either.

Furthermore, EVERYTHING is backed up. I've mentioned it before, but my wife is an accountant for a medium-sized business that imports and exports lumber and wood products. She is in charge of the supply chain, shipping, and accounting for that area. there are still huge numbers of freighters backed up waiting to dock/unload and undock in China, Taiwan, Korea, Australia, England, US, and the list just keeps going. I know, it's a huge stressor for her, and i hear a lot about it. these ships are backed up for WEEKS on end, so much so that some areas have had to send relief boats with supplies out to them because they literally were running out of food while waiting to dock and unload.

That PS5 you wanted, or XseriesX, yeah, they're probably on a boat, sitting off the coast right now. That batch of wafers for the next line of Nvidia or AMD GPU's (not to mention car parts, tv parts, etc etc) yeah, probably on another boat waiting to offload, and that's JUST to get them to offload, that doesn't include the process of actually importing them at the dock, inspections, transport to warehouses and then on to the retailers, which can be a multiweek process.

lastly, I just want to add that this is a case of everyone being a game designer until they aren't. there is a business aspect to this, and this isn't the only thing (though obviously the largest) on their plate.

I mean, if you want to bitch about GW, there are a lot of things you can complain about (which 99.99% of this cesspool forum will agree with you on regardless of merit, simply for the reason that it kicks GW in the nuts) without making gak up.

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