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There has been an uptick in the amount of representation requests in the community. Can this request be made as well?

But if they are male they wouldn't be Sisters though.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
But if they are male they wouldn't be Sisters though.

It's [current year] anything can happen.

I know it's a tongue in cheek thread, but I'd unironically like to see Fraternis Militia.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I know it's a tongue in cheek thread, but I'd unironically like to see Fraternis Militia.

Those ain't sisters though, but rather cult ecclesiarchy.
come to think of it a cult book would be interesting.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I know it's a tongue in cheek thread, but I'd unironically like to see Fraternis Militia.

Not actually Sisters, but if they get those Marines should get Chapter Serf auxiliaries.

I know they're not actually Sisters, but I'd still like to see them and the Ecclesiarchy side fleshed out a bit more within the 'Sisters' codex.

They existed, in a sense.
The Frateris Templars were discontinued after the apostasy, but if GW is done beating the dead horse that is the heresy it could be their new-old hammer.

But actual male sisters? Put me down for a 'no', somehow the fact that the sisters are all women has never stopped guys playing the faction. Funny how that is really, almost as if choice of army isn't strongly driven by the desire to have the same sex as your plastic toys.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Not actually Sisters, but if they get those Marines should get Chapter Serf auxiliaries.

Frateris militia were an actual sisters unit in 2nd edition and the 3rd edition chapter approved list. Pulled along with most of the priesthood to make space for the inquisition, though partially re-added with the zealots chapter approved unit (aka less sucky repentia).

As a faction the sisters were codex:ecclesiarchy, with the sisters themselves as the headline act. They've just lost that over the years to become codex: girl-marines, in the same way chaos lost many of its auxiliary units to become codex: spikey marines.

A.T. wrote:
They existed, in a sense.
The Frateris Templars were discontinued after the apostasy, but if GW is done beating the dead horse that is the heresy it could be their new-old hammer.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Not actually Sisters, but if they get those Marines should get Chapter Serf auxiliaries.

Frateris militia were an actual sisters unit in 2nd edition and the 3rd edition chapter approved list. Pulled along with most of the priesthood to make space for the inquisition, though partially re-added with the zealots chapter approved unit (aka less sucky repentia).

As a faction the sisters were codex:ecclesiarchy, with the sisters themselves as the headline act. They've just lost that over the years to become codex: girl-marines, in the same way chaos lost many of its auxiliary units to become codex: spikey marines.

Being usable in a sisters list =/= being sisters.

Just like Valkyries are not a part of the astra militarum in the guard codex.

You have thrice the male models in the Sisters of Battle codex than female models in Imperial Guard, Space Marines ,Adeptus Mechanicus, Imperial Knights and Adeptus Custodes codex combined.

 Sledgehammer wrote:

A.T. wrote:
They existed, in a sense.
The Frateris Templars were discontinued after the apostasy, but if GW is done beating the dead horse that is the heresy it could be their new-old hammer.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Not actually Sisters, but if they get those Marines should get Chapter Serf auxiliaries.

Frateris militia were an actual sisters unit in 2nd edition and the 3rd edition chapter approved list. Pulled along with most of the priesthood to make space for the inquisition, though partially re-added with the zealots chapter approved unit (aka less sucky repentia).

As a faction the sisters were codex:ecclesiarchy, with the sisters themselves as the headline act. They've just lost that over the years to become codex: girl-marines, in the same way chaos lost many of its auxiliary units to become codex: spikey marines.

Being usable in a sisters list =/= being sisters.

Just like Valkyries are not a part of the astra militarum in the guard codex.

What do you mean Chaos Cultists aren't Chaos Space Marines, they are in the Chaos Space Marine codex!
You can say the same for grots, canoptek units and Tau auxiliaries, really.

Tittliewinks22 wrote:
What should male sisters models look like?

Sisters aren't male?

If this poll is tongue in check... Koddos.

If its done seriously... Its pretty lame.

GW could really increase the popularity of SoB by being more inclusive to the male demographic, after all they make up 50% of the population.

There's no reason not to. Lore doesn't matter anyway, right?

Is fun how when one calls out how most 40k factions are a "boys only club" people counteracts asking for male models and miniatures in the only "girls club" codex that was neglected for 20 years and that even in present times has nearly as male models as female models in all other codex of the game combined.

And thats why the same people calls out tokenism when you have one black dude. But the 300 white ones that came before are just normal business.

 Galas wrote:
Is fun how when one calls out how most 40k factions are a "boys only club" people counteracts asking for male models and miniatures in the only "girls club" codex that was neglected for 20 years and that even in present times has nearly as male models as female models in all other codex of the game combined.

None of the males in SoB are actual Sisters of Battle, that's like suggesting an Assassin is a Space Marine.

But now that you mention it, they really should do something about all those male models in the SoB line being used as slaves or getting tortured. It's not a good look.

 Galas wrote:
Is fun how when one calls out how most 40k factions are a "boys only club" people counteracts asking for male models and miniatures in the only "girls club" codex that was neglected for 20 years and that even in present times has nearly as male models as female models in all other codex of the game combined.

And thats why the same people calls out tokenism when you have one black dude. But the 300 white ones that came before are just normal business.

Strawman. I can't advocate for more sister models and female representation, whilst retaining the internal consistency of themes of and lore?

By all means add more female models and options it's long overdue.

I read too fast, and didn't see the option I picked was for heads AND bodies. I meant heads only. This poll is invalid, sorry.

A.T. wrote:

Tittliewinks22 wrote:
What should male sisters models look like?

Sisters aren't male?

Reminds me of a discussion from a while back (before the SoB models were redone):

"I just want female heads for my Imperial Guardsmen."

"I just want female heads for my Sisters of Battle."

Lets put female non marine HQs in a space marine codex and 4-5 female only special units/characters, even if they are not marine but support troops or auxilia. Lets see how that goes.

 Sledgehammer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Is fun how when one calls out how most 40k factions are a "boys only club" people counteracts asking for male models and miniatures in the only "girls club" codex that was neglected for 20 years and that even in present times has nearly as male models as female models in all other codex of the game combined.

And thats why the same people calls out tokenism when you have one black dude. But the 300 white ones that came before are just normal business.

Strawman. I can't advocate for more sister models and female representation, whilst retaining the internal consistency of themes of and lore?

By all means add more female models and options it's long overdue.

I mean. I personally don't want female space marines. I just find funny the hipocrisy of many people with this issue. And lets not start with the "muh science" for why females don't belong on sci fi battlefields.

Goose LeChance wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Is fun how when one calls out how most 40k factions are a "boys only club" people counteracts asking for male models and miniatures in the only "girls club" codex that was neglected for 20 years and that even in present times has nearly as male models as female models in all other codex of the game combined.

None of the males in SoB are actual Sisters of Battle, that's like suggesting an Assassin is a Space Marine.

But now that you mention it, they really should do something about all those male models in the SoB line being used as slaves or getting tortured. It's not a good look.

I dunno man, seeing how many men were excited over the prospect of being dominated by a "tall vampire dommy mommy" upon the release of Resident Evil 8, that might actually be a selling point.

It's the Imperium, enlightened isn't an adjective that describes them.
So I'm sure they are using Sisters who believe they're really men & men who become women as arco-flagellents and "crew" for Penintent Engines/Mortifiers.
Therefore you already have what your asking for.

Great thread. I choose the middle option.

I've been following, but limiting my participation in the FSM threads. I voted no in those, even though FSM wouldn't bother me; I voted no only because I don't want ANYTHING new for SM until all the other dexes are out. If I had to vote again, I'd probably vote differently and attach a caveat to my response via post.

Regarding males in the SoB, I might not use them in my armies, but I don't object to them existing. If they were kept in the minority for the faction, and if they weren't leadership positions, I might even include them- depending on whether or not I liked them.

However, there is something to be said about Sororital organizations. I'm not sure if any of you are familiar with Freemasonry and its connection to the Order of the Eastern Star.

I can't tell you much- oaths being what they are. But suffice to say, Freemasons- classic Blue-Lodge Freemasonry- is exclusively male. The Order of the Eastern Star was created as a parallel organization for women. However, an Eastern Star Lodge MUST include a Freemason, who receives the title Honoured Patron. There is no reciprocal requirement for a Masonic Lodge to include an Honoured Matron.

There are two ways to fix the issue; one could remove the requirement for an Honoured Patron in Eastern Star Lodges. This allows both organizations to be gender exclusive. The other option, and my preferred solution, would be to add the requirement for an Honoured Matron to Masonic proceedings.

The latter example is my preferred solution because I do feel like gender segregation in the real world is an outdated concept. I don't think we do anyone any good, here in the real world, by pretending that half of the population doesn't exist or isn't relevant.

However, if Masonic Lodges aren't going to accept women, and Eastern Star Lodges are defined as "Freemasonry for women," then I would rather see the requirement for an Honoured Patron to go dark than accept the status quo. Because Eastern Star wouldn't actually be Freemasonry for women if their lodges require a male presence will Masonic Lodges don't require a female presence.

To take this back to 40k: I'm prepared to accept male sisters- either by tolerating them in the fluff but excluding them from my army, or by embracing them whole heartedly. But doing either of those things becomes somewhat more problematic for me if there is no reciprocity on the fraternal side.

There is absolutely no difference between wanting to see more female representation in a game that had almost exclusively male representation and wanting more male representation in a game with plenty of male representation.

Galaxy brain moment by the bros.

Male sisters make less sense than female space marines.

Male Sororitas makes them significantly less cool.

Space marines = post human
Sororitas = Army of Ripley's

The cool thing about Sororitas is they're just a "normal" human fighting horrors both xeno & warp.

The double standard is so real.

hobojebus wrote:
Male sisters make less sense than female space marines.

There is no difference. Neither one makes any sense.

However, I voted "Add obvious masculine heads and bodies" but a simple lore change, and some alternate heads would be a good compromise to this problem.

i would like to see a more fleshed out Echleziarchy taking the field with the sisters of battle. Also in the fluff the prohibition of men in arms is why they mostly have sisters, but it says they are not entirely a force of women so why not add a few males born into the church fighting alongside the sisters in some role. maybe grenadeers or suicide bombers so they are not carrying bolters and not "armed" with lasguns or bolters. Also maybe piloting some stuff so technically they are driving and not wielding said weapons following the letter of the law

So it's completely OK for SoB to not include male models in their rank-and-file because [LORE], but it's not OK for SM to not include female models in their rank-and-file because it's 21st century and that's against inclusivity and political correctness because the lore does not specifically "prohibit" females from enlisting into SM legion.