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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/08/13 11:02:16
Subject: 2 crusade rules questions
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Longtime Dakkanaut
London
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Q1 - People at the club are using their RP to add stratagems to units that only affect a unit for 1 round. For example smoke on a marine vehicle. They use it once per game as per the stratagem.
My understanding was you could only add Strategems that continuously effect the unit (or until they are lost in someway), so for example Advanced Counter Measures on a Valk.
Which is correct, you add any strategem and use it as if you had paid CP for it, or can only add ones that can affect the unit for the whole game?
Q2 - Assassins. he sensible house rule seems to be you pay 5 power and add them to your roster. Others have insisted you use your 2 CP and get one for free for the game. And the other view is for 2 RP you can add a 0 power unit to your roster (I think this is definitively wrong as you aren't upgrading a unit).
Which is the actual rules implication?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/08/13 14:03:30
Subject: 2 crusade rules questions
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
Bamberg / Erlangen
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Q1 - Smokescreen is neither a profile improvement nor an ability, so it is not eligible to be purchased with "Specialist Reinforcements". The Stratagem itself does not say that it can be used before battle, either.
Compare it to the Blood Angels "Lucifer Pattern Engines" where it both says "use this Stratagem before the battle... That model gains the following ability"
Q2 - I honestly don't get where the argument for the two latter interpretations would come from.
You pay 5 power points and add it to your Order of Battle as usual.
The tricky part imho is how to handle the Stratagem where you can swap out the Assassin right before the battle. It is paid with CP and you switch it out for another Assassin... but what happens with XP and a potential Out of Action test?
Afaik there is no clear answer to that and it comes down to house rules. My suggestion is to add all 4 Assassins to your Order of Battle, paying the respective supply limit for it, and then track Out of Action and XP separately for each Assassin. So you swap out between your actual roster.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/08/13 14:13:08
Subject: 2 crusade rules questions
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Longtime Dakkanaut
London
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With your answer on both - I think for the second question the 2nd idea harks back to reinforcement points are free outside of matched play in I think 8th edition and the 3rd idea is literaly we aren't playing points, plus a wrong interpretation for the 1 question, so wayhey I get a free assassin for 2 RP being used to get the 2CP strat every game...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/08/13 14:41:15
Subject: 2 crusade rules questions
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
Bamberg / Erlangen
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I kind of understand where you are coming from now.
The Stratagem Shadow Assignment is neither a profile upgrade, nor a new ability. So it is not eligible for "Specialist Reinforcements".
Even if we would say it is eligible, all you would gain is to save 2 CP everytime you want to switch out the Assassin on the spot, as the Stratagem itself still requires you to have one 5 PP cost Assassin as part of your army (not the Order of Battle) in the first place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/08/13 18:32:57
Subject: 2 crusade rules questions
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Implacable Skitarii
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I believe that if you have an assassin in your army list then switch it out with Shadow Assignment, the replacement neither takes out of action tests nor gains XP, similar to a summoned unit, since they are not in your order of battle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/08/13 23:05:21
Subject: 2 crusade rules questions
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Confessor Of Sins
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The_Real_Chris wrote:Q1 - People at the club are using their RP to add stratagems to units that only affect a unit for 1 round. For example smoke on a marine vehicle. They use it once per game as per the stratagem.
My understanding was you could only add Strategems that continuously effect the unit (or until they are lost in someway), so for example Advanced Counter Measures on a Valk.
Which is correct, you add any strategem and use it as if you had paid CP for it, or can only add ones that can affect the unit for the whole game?
You can only use Specialist Reinforcements on a stratagem that gives a better characteristic profile and/or an ability. Smoke does not do that.
Q2 - Assassins. he sensible house rule seems to be you pay 5 power and add them to your roster. Others have insisted you use your 2 CP and get one for free for the game. And the other view is for 2 RP you can add a 0 power unit to your roster (I think this is definitively wrong as you aren't upgrading a unit).
Which is the actual rules implication?
As far as I can tell, you have to have an Assassin in your Crusade Force to include in your army. If you select one for a battle and then want to change your mind before deployment, you can use the Stratagem to switch with another Assassin, who still needs to be in your Crusade Force to swap out to.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/08/13 23:05:58
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