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2022/01/19 04:08:03
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Scenario: I have 2 units(A and B) that declare a charge against an enemy unit. I activate unit A, pile in, make my attacks, enemy unit is destroyed. Now unit A and B consolidate towards the nearest enemy. If unit B consolidates 3 inches, can they end in engagement range of another enemy unit? If so, since they weren't activated in the fight phase yet can they now be activated against the unit they are now in engagement range of?
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2022/01/19 04:58:25
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Yes, the enemy unit can now swing at your unit that just consolidated into them. Given the case where unit A and B successfully charges at unit C, the resolution would generally be: 1. Unit A piles in, makes attacks, unit C is destroyed, unit A consolidates to nearest enemy unit D. (unit A cannot attack unit D: it has already made its attacks) 2. Unit B piles into nearest enemy unit D, makes attacks, resolve combat (unit B can attack unit D). In your example, unit B cannot attack if it 'consolidated' into an enemy unit - I assume you meant pile-in into unit D?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2022/01/19 05:07:20
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2022/01/19 05:32:59
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Confessor Of Sins
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skchsan wrote:Yes, the enemy unit can now swing at your unit that just consolidated into them.
Given the case where unit A and B successfully charges at unit C, the resolution would generally be:
1. Unit A piles in, makes attacks, unit C is destroyed, unit A consolidates to nearest enemy unit D. (unit A cannot attack unit D: it has already made its attacks)
2. Unit B piles into nearest enemy unit D, makes attacks, resolve combat (unit B can attack unit D).
In your example, unit B cannot attack if it 'consolidated' into an enemy unit - I assume you meant pile-in into unit D?
This is incorrect. If Unit A and B charged unit C, they cannot make any attacks against Unit D. So the process would be.
1. Unit A piles in, makes attacks, and consolidates. If unit B is destroyed, the Consolidate towards the closest enemy unit (unit D).
2. Unit B piles into Unit D. Even if it reaches Engagement Range, Unit B cannot attack Unit D because it did not charge Unit D. It then Consolidates even closer to Unit D.
3. Unit D, assuming it is in Engagement Range of Unit A or B, may Pile In, Attack, and Consolidate.
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2022/01/19 09:07:48
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Thanks, that's how we've been playing it.
Follow up question. If a unit that moves into engagement range with an enemy unit it didn't charge and can't attack said unit, how can the enemy unit make attacks when it didn't charge either?
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2022/01/19 09:21:34
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Because the restriction on only targeting the unit you declared charge against only applies when you make charges. Have a read of the fight phase rules, it's very clear.
If you don't make a charge move you have no restrictions on which enemy units within engagement range you may fight against
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2022/01/19 19:55:49
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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If you start the fight phase in engagement range, you can fight, unless you charged, then you can ONLY fight what you declared a charge against.
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2022/01/19 23:04:33
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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I think my problem is more a train thought along old rules. Thinking of it more as the whole phase than applying it to units.
Thanks for the clarifications!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2022/01/19 23:04:50
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2022/01/20 00:00:31
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Confessor Of Sins
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Eihnlazer wrote:If you start the fight phase in engagement range, you can fight, unless you charged, then you can ONLY fight what you declared a charge against.
Actual the rule is any unit that is within Engagement Range of an enemy unit must fight before the Fight phase can end. However units that Charged cannot target units they did not declare a charge against unless that unit did a heroic intervention.
This means a unit that was not in Engagement Range at the start of the fight phase if it finds itself within Engagement Range of any enemy unit later in the phase.
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2022/01/20 05:54:23
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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alextroy wrote: Eihnlazer wrote:If you start the fight phase in engagement range, you can fight, unless you charged, then you can ONLY fight what you declared a charge against.
Actual the rule is any unit that is within Engagement Range of an enemy unit must fight before the Fight phase can end. However units that Charged cannot target units they did not declare a charge against unless that unit did a heroic intervention. This means a unit that was not in Engagement Range at the start of the fight phase if it finds itself within Engagement Range of any enemy unit later in the phase.
Yeah, also the opposite is true. A unit that was in engagement range at the start of the fight phase may not be eligible to fight if it's no longer in engagement range by the time it would be activated. It's based on whether the unit is engaged at the moment it would be activated, rather than whether it was engaged at the start of the phase.
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2022/01/23 09:01:20
Subject: Re:Consolidation into units
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
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Follow up question:
My units A and B charged an enemy unit. Unit A destroyed the enemy.
Can my unit B then make a 3 inch pile in AND a 3 inch consolidate move? Towards closest enemy of course. Even though it didn't have any enemies in range to attack.
edit: cleaned some spelling errors. Thanks for the answers.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2022/01/23 20:32:29
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2022/01/23 10:00:25
Subject: Re:Consolidation into units
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Trickster12 wrote:Follow up question:
My units A and B charged an enemy unit. Unit A desroyed the enemy.
Can my unit B then make a 3 inch pile in AND a inch consolidate move? Towards closest enemy of course. Even though it didn't have any enemies in range to attack.
Yes, as Unit B made a charge move, it is eligible to be activated and pile in, and consolidate.
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2022/01/23 10:34:10
Subject: Consolidation into units
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes, as the who can fight rule states really clearly
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