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Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

Broodvolt Surge likes D1.

Some other models reduce damage by 1.if they get reduced to D1, do I get the bonus from Broodvolt Surge?

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Pretty sure it's fine. See thousand sons.
   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

But if it is the opposing player choosing the timing, can they not stack it correctly? (I have no idea what thousand sons do.)

   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




No, because the rules don't trigger at the same time.
All is dust , plus one save if damage one
   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

Follow up question:

Is an invinerable save also an armour saving throw?

So potensially bladed cog abberants can get 5++ from Xenoform Bionics stratagem. And then if the damage of the attack is 1 (but has some AP) I can use Broodvolt Surge to give them +1 to the 5++ save.

From the rules in the book:

INVULNERABLE SAVES
Some models have an invulnerable save. Each time an attack is
allocated to a model with an invulnerable save, you can choose to
use either its normal Save (Sv) characteristic or its invulnerable
save, but not both. If a model has more than one invulnerable
save, it can only use one of them – choose which it will use. If you
use a model’s invulnerable save, it is never modified by a weapon’s
Armour Penetration value.

Checks out? Yes?

(Update, I understand that this would also then work on purestrains genestealers. Pushing them to 4+ with +1 on the roll.)

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Made in us
Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle





In My Lab

An Invuln is NOT an armor save.

A bonus to saves applies to all saves.
A bonus to armor saves only applies to the characteristic on your datasheet.

Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne! 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

The Glossary tells you what an armour save is.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in no
Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

Some of us is missing the neunces in the rules written. But I am not sure who it is.

"4. SAVING THROW
The player commanding the target unit then makes one saving
throw by rolling one D6 and modifying the roll by the Armour
Penetration (AP) characteristic of the weapon that the attack
was made with. For example, if the weapon has an AP of -1, then
1 is subtracted from the saving throw roll. If the result is equal
to, or greater than, the Save (Sv) characteristic of the model the
attack was allocated to, then the saving throw is successful and
the attack sequence ends. If the result is less than the model’s Save
characteristic, then the saving throw fails and the model suffers
damage. An unmodified roll of 1 always fails."

"INVULNERABLE SAVES
Some models have an invulnerable save. Each time an attack is
allocated to a model with an invulnerable save, you can choose to
use either its normal Save (Sv) characteristic or its invulnerable
save, but not both. If a model has more than one invulnerable
save, it can only use one of them – choose which it will use. If you
use a model’s invulnerable save, it is never modified by a weapon’s
Armour Penetration value.

[] Invulnerable save: Saving throw that is never
modified by attacking weapon’s AP.
[] A model with an invulnerable save can use it instead
of its normal Sv."

"Blessing: Broodvolt Surge has a warp charge value of 5. If manifested, until the start of your next Psychic phase, while a friendly BLADED COG unit is within 3" of this PSYKER, each time an attack with a Damage characteristic of 1 is allocated to a model in that unit, add 1 to any armour saving throw made against that attack".

As far as I can tell, there is only on check in the game called 'Saving Throw'. You can either use your armour save or your invonerable save. But they are both savig throws. Invonerbale saves ignore modiers by the weapons armour penetration value. However, broodvolt surge is not a weapons armour penetration value and just add +1 to the save roll.

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Frenzied Berserker Terminator






 Niiai wrote:
"Blessing: Broodvolt Surge has a warp charge value of 5. If manifested, until the start of your next Psychic phase, while a friendly BLADED COG unit is within 3" of this PSYKER, each time an attack with a Damage characteristic of 1 is allocated to a model in that unit, add 1 to any armour saving throw made against that attack".

As far as I can tell, there is only on check in the game called 'Saving Throw'. You can either use your armour save or your invonerable save. But they are both savig throws. Invonerbale saves ignore modiers by the weapons armour penetration value. However, broodvolt surge is not a weapons armour penetration value and just add +1 to the save roll.

Bolded emphasis is mine.

Check the glossary for what an armour saving throw is.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Indeed, it specifies it alters the armour saving throw. That isn't an invulnerable save
   
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Confessor Of Sins





Tacoma, WA, USA

Rules Glossary wrote:Armour saving throw: An armour saving throw is a saving throw made using a model's Save characteristic.

Invulnerable saving throw: An invulnerable saving throw is a saving throw made using a model's invulnerable save instead of its Save characteristic.
So by definition, any saving throw you make will be either an Armour saving throw or a Invulnerable saving throw. If a rule just says saving throw, it applies to both.
   
 
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