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Heya

So I'm eager to get into the HH and with the new edition it seems like a decent time to make the fully plunge. I know changes are coming and so not all advice here is 'certain' for the new edition, but it seems like there's no harm in asking some questions.

I'm eager to play Emperor's Children '3rd Company Elite' - and I already have 20 Kakophoni and a squad of 5 Palatine, plus a Praetor figure. My immediate thought is get another 10 Kakophoni (who I'm probably just gonna convert ngl - I don't want to pay like another £88 lol), but where to go after there is my main question.

Hi, unfortunately even running 3rd Company Elite, Kakophoni cannot score objectives. They become Troops but do not gain the 'Line' keyword. So you will need some basic bods (Tacticals probably) to stand a hope of winning any games.

Kakophoni get deflagrate which is nice, and their weapons are Assault. With 30 Kakophoni, each squad having an Apothecary for resilience and a Techmarine for the Cognis-signum (+1BS)... that would be nasty.

Giving either the Techmarine or the Apothecary the Surgical upgrade that lets them ignore the BS penalty for Night Fighting would also make your army nasty in Night Fight (which either player can enforce).

Acolyte Kraskor wrote:
Hi, unfortunately even running 3rd Company Elite, Kakophoni cannot score objectives. They become Troops but do not gain the 'Line' keyword. So you will need some basic bods (Tacticals probably) to stand a hope of winning any games.

Kakophoni get deflagrate which is nice, and their weapons are Assault. With 30 Kakophoni, each squad having an Apothecary for resilience and a Techmarine for the Cognis-signum (+1BS)... that would be nasty.

Giving either the Techmarine or the Apothecary the Surgical upgrade that lets them ignore the BS penalty for Night Fighting would also make your army nasty in Night Fight (which either player can enforce).

Hi there, thank you for your post.

Given the ability to purchase surgical upgrades, I think two blobs of 20 Tacticals would be pretty good all things considered (since for 30 points each, they can all have that ridiculous 'everyone has a rending flamer template' upgrade). It is unfortunate Kakophoni themselves aren't line.

Despoilers might be a better option for the sonic templates. You want them close in anyway, tacticals you'll probably camp objectives with. 20-man units is definitely the right idea with those sonic templates though my god.

You can also take advantage of how the sonic upgrades are written with apothecaries/techmarines. I am planning to put shriekers on my apothecary unit, they are then scattered and spread through other units, and give them the effects of the shrieker. Same for techmarines with the cognis-signum for +1BS and the sonic bat signal to ignore night fight debuffs - sprinkle them through shooty units and only pay once for each upgrade.