Max CP gain

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**pappanurgle**

If I have a chapter master with adpet of the Codex and master of the Codex can I net 2 extra cp per round from a successful refund and roll in my command phase or is it limited to 1?

**Karhedron**

The Matched Play rules still say that you can only gain 1 CP per battle round from refund abilities I think.

**pappanurgle**

Karhedron wrote:
The Matched Play rules still say that you can only gain 1 CP per battle round from refund abilities I think.

I know you can only receive 1 per round through refunds, but only one of the warlord traits is a refund one. The other is on a 4+ in your command phase gain 1 cp.

**alextroy**

From the errata document:

Page 363 – Rare Rules
Add the following:
Stratagems that Gain or Refund CPs
The advanced rules for Command points state that you cannot gain, or have refunded, more than 1 Command point per battle round because of any rules (other than via the exceptions listed on page 245, such as the Battle-forged CP Bonus). However, there are a small handful of Stratagems that let players gain or refund several Command points when used (e.g. Feeder Tendrils in Codex: Tyranids). So long as such a Stratagem is used during a phase (i.e. it is not used ‘before the battle’ or ‘at the end of a battle round’), the limit of gaining or refunding 1 Command point per battle round does not apply to any Command points gained via Stratagems.

So the answer is no.

**p5freak**

alextroy wrote:
From the errata document:

Page 363 – Rare Rules
Add the following:
Stratagems that Gain or Refund CPs
The advanced rules for Command points state that you cannot gain, or have refunded, more than 1 Command point per battle round because of any rules (other than via the exceptions listed on page 245, such as the Battle-forged CP Bonus). However, there are a small handful of Stratagems that let players gain or refund several Command points when used (e.g. Feeder Tendrils in Codex: Tyranids). So long as such a Stratagem is used during a phase (i.e. it is not used ‘before the battle’ or ‘at the end of a battle round’), the limit of gaining or refunding 1 Command point per battle round does not apply to any Command points gained via Stratagems.
So the answer is no.

Thats the answer to the wrong question. The question was about a warlord trait, not about stratagems. You can get 2CP with adept of the codex, because there is a limit of gaining 1CP per turn, but the battleforged CP is excluded from this only 1CP rule. Therefore the answer is yes, you can get 2CP per turn.

GAINING AND REFUNDING COMMAND POINTS
There are several rules that give you a chance to gain or refund CPs when you or your opponent either use a Stratagems or spend CPs to use a Stratagem. Each player can only gain or have refunded a total of 1 CP per battle round as the result of such rules, regardless of the source, and CPs that are spent on Stratagems that are not used during a phase, such as those used ‘before the battle’ or ‘at the end of the battle round’, can never be refunded. The limit of gaining or refunding 1 CP per battle round does not apply to the Battle-forged CP bonus a player gains at the start of their Command phase before doing anything else, or to any CPs gained by mission special rules that instruct players to gain CPs in their Command phase.

**alextroy**

And you’ve answered the wrong question. He asked (emphasis added):

pappanurgle wrote:
If I have a chapter master with adpet of the Codex and master of the Codex can I net 2 extra cp per round from a successful refund and roll in my command phase or is it limited to 1?

As I said and both your and my quotes support, he can only gain 1 extra CP.

**p5freak**

alextroy wrote:
As I said and both your and my quotes support, he can only gain 1 extra CP.

Your answer is wrong. He talks about refund and master of the codex. The warlord trait doesnt refund CP, it gains CP. Nevertheless, it is possible to get more than 1 CP per turn. First CP is the battle forged CP, second is for adept of the codex, third could be from a mission special rule, and a fourth could be from a stratagem. Its possible to get even more CP, if mission special rules and/or stratagems give more than 1CP.

**nosferatu1001**

"The limit of gaining or refunding 1 CP per battle round does not apply to the Battle-forged CP bonus a player gains at the start of their Command phase before doing anything else, or to any CPs gained by mission special rules that instruct players to gain CPs in their Command phase. "
Adept of the codex is neither a mission special rule nor is it the battle forged bonus, and so it is not exempt from the limit of gaining one cap a round

**alextroy**

As said before p5freak, you cannot gain or refund more than 1 CP per battle round except for those gained for being Battleforged or those gained from Stratagems. Since both Master of the Codex and Adept of the Codex are both warlord traits, you can only get 1 CP from the two of them collectively.

Everything else you noted is interesting, but does not answer OP’s question.

**p5freak**

alextroy wrote:
As said before p5frak, you cannot gain or refund more than 1 CP per battle round except for those gained for being Battleforged or those gained from Stratagems. Since both Master of the Codex and Adept of the Codex are both warlord traits, you can only get 1 CP from the two of them collectively.

Everything else you noted is interesting, but does not answer OP’s question.

And what exactly is the OPs question ? The topic is max CP gain, and then he talks about refunding CP with master of the codex. The max CP gain is only limited by mission special rules, and stratagems. Master of the codex doesnt refund CP, it lets you gain CP. Refunding CPs is only possible when you have spend CP.

Btw, you can gain or refund more than 1 CP per battle round. I quoted the rule which says so.

**nosferatu1001**

I already quoted where you were wrong p5. Again.

**p5freak**

I am not wrong. I have quoted the rule which says you can gain/refund more than 1 CP per battle round.

**alextroy**

I think the OP and anyone else reading this thread has enough information now to decide who is correct since we are now headed down another I'm Right, You're Wrong rabbit hole.

**Jarms48**

Karhedron wrote:
The Matched Play rules still say that you can only gain 1 CP per battle round from refund abilities I think.

This is correct. The only except to this is stratagems. Which can be used to give additional CP. Such as the Inquisition STRATEGIC EXCRUCIATION or the Assassins PRIORITY THREAT NEUTRALISED.

**nosferatu1001**

p5freak wrote:
I am not wrong. I have quoted the rule which says you can gain/refund more than 1 CP per battle round.

Nope, the quote proves you are wrong. Really really obviously so. A warlord trait isn't a mission special rule so the limit of 1 per battle round appplies.

**p5freak**

You don't know what the question is. No one knows, because the OP wasn't clear.

**alextroy**

p5freak wrote:You don't know what the question is. No one knows, because the OP wasn't clear.

I know what the question is because I can read.

pappanurgle wrote:If I have a chapter master with adpet of the Codex and master of the Codex can I net 2 extra cp per round from a successful refund and roll in my command phase or is it limited to 1?

This leads us to:

GAINING AND REFUNDING COMMAND POINTS
There are several rules that give you a chance to gain or refund CPs when you or your opponent either use a Stratagems or spend CPs to use a Stratagem. Each player can only gain or have refunded a total of 1 CP per battle round as the result of such rules, regardless of the source, and CPs that are spent on Stratagems that are not used during a phase, such as those used ‘before the battle’ or ‘at the end of the battle round’, can never be refunded. The limit of gaining or refunding 1 CP per battle round does not apply to the Battle-forged CP bonus a player gains at the start of their Command phase before doing anything else, or to any CPs gained by mission special rules that instruct players to gain CPs in their Command phase.

And:

Page 363 – Rare Rules
Add the following:
Stratagems that Gain or Refund CPs
The advanced rules for Command points state that you cannot gain, or have refunded, more than 1 Command point per battle round because of any rules (other than via the exceptions listed on page 245, such as the Battle-forged CP Bonus). However, there are a small handful of Stratagems that let players gain or refund several Command points when used (e.g. Feeder Tendrils in Codex: Tyranids). So long as such a Stratagem is used during a phase (i.e. it is not used ‘before the battle’ or ‘at the end of a battle round’), the limit of gaining or refunding 1 Command point per battle round does not apply to any Command points gained via Stratagems.

Notice the nice sentences I highlighted that forbid you from gaining more than 1 CP per battle round except under very specific circumstances?

The answer to the OP's question is you can only gain 1 CP between the 2 warlord traits per battle round.

**p5freak**

alextroy wrote:
p5freak wrote:You don't know what the question is. No one knows, because the OP wasn't clear.
I know what the question is because I can read.

Then your understanding is different from mine, because the max CP gain is more than one.

**JNAProductions**

p5freak wrote:
alextroy wrote:
p5freak wrote:You don't know what the question is. No one knows, because the OP wasn't clear.
I know what the question is because I can read.

Then your understanding is different from mine, because the max CP gain is more than one.

Max CP gain is the title of the thread.

But, the first post goes on to say:

pappanurgle wrote:
If I have a chapter master with adpet of the Codex and master of the Codex can I net 2 extra cp per round from a successful refund and roll in my command phase or is it limited to 1?

Making it clear that it's about max CP from those two Warlord traits.

**nosferatu1001**

Is all of this p5 failing to read the OP?!

**alextroy**

Pretty much, since multiple of us have quoted the OP and yet p5 keeps referring the the Subject, which isn't the question at hand.

**JohnnyHell**

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Is all of this p5 failing to read the OP?!

Wouldn’t be the first time.