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Not a huge surprise for the most part if true. We've heard a few rumours before that the 10th Box would be Nids (getting a Necron style release) versus Marines.

Otherwise some parts are already known, such as Jump Marines. Embiggened Terminators would be unsurprising.

It'll be curious to see what they do with the Sanguinor as a Primarch equivalent. Will he just be marine sized with big wings and a load of base stuff, probably ending up looking like the AOS Celestant Prime, or would he be embiggened a bit? Or a lot?


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 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The ten thousand dollar question is whether GW finally has the chutzpah to axe the Firstborn from the codex, or are they content to let the Marine book swell like a gangrenous pustule.

I imagine they're one edition off replacing Devastators, at which point the range will be *roughly* equivalent and we might see "from now on just consider all firstborn to be their Primaris equivalent" in 99% of cases.

stratigo wrote:
I have had it hinted to me that 10th will be a big rules reset. But only very obliquely. Like an eyebrow raise level of obliquely.

Even by GW standards though, I can't imagine they are issuing a new set of Marine supplement codexes just before 10th with no model support (as is rumoured) if 10th is going to tear up the ruleset to the extent they wouldn't be usable.

And I know people would say "it wouldn't be the first time" but it would be the first time they'd do something like that without models to sell off the back since there are no chapter characters coming as per the same rumours.

Don't get me wrong, strategem bloat is out of control and an 8th ed style reset is needed, I just don't think it fits the evidence we have.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
They Problem is that GW is listening too much what the Tournament Community wants instead of real hobbists who want to enjoy the game.

The 9th Edition is a complete chaotic mess.

Come on dude. Don’t be That Guy. Nobody is playing it wrong. No one is enjoying it wrong. No one is a “real” hobbyist for enjoying certain aspects over others.

I wouldn't say that they are playing it wrong, but I think there's a non-trivial issue that GW has spent a lot of time tweaking the rules of 40k by piling on more and more rules bloat and issuing more and more corrective patches aimed primarily at balancing the game for tournament players, which ignores that they have inadvertently created a) a fairly high barrier to entry for more casual players, b) a game balanced around quite a high skill level which is not what many people have and c) doesn't actually seem to be working that well for tournament players either.

Yeah, simplifying the core ruleset and becoming more reliant on stratagems and themed armies feels like the exact opposite of what people generally want, and given GW are asking about stratagems in the questionnaires I don't expect them to double down on them.

And splitting up firstborn and Primaris feels very unlikely at this point. Maybe once significantly more characters have moved over and Primaris have jump packs, a quasi Land Raider and a Devastator equivalent, but not yet.

 Geifer wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
Yeah, simplifying the core ruleset and becoming more reliant on stratagems and themed armies feels like the exact opposite of what people generally want, and given GW are asking about stratagems in the questionnaires I don't expect them to double down on them.

And splitting up firstborn and Primaris feels very unlikely at this point. Maybe once significantly more characters have moved over and Primaris have jump packs, a quasi Land Raider and a Devastator equivalent, but not yet.

Not that I'd put any stock in something coming from Faeit, but the convenient thing about this being a 10th ed rumor is that there's guaranteed to be a Marine update as part of the edition launch, so a lot of those things could get sorted out for Primaris with the launch box, starter set and/or miniature release accompanying the codex.

If there is a hard reset, it might even lead to another round of chapter supplements with accompanying characters.

I am assuming they will be, but it still feels an edition premature to me.