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I'm thinking of a competitive necrons list and the big doubt is to rely on a big blob of warriors and reanimation or not.

Both list would use The Silent King of course:

-first list: CCB - Technomancer - 5x immortals - 3x5 Skorpekhs - Transcendent c'tan - Void dragon - Doom Scythe - 3x3 scarabs (i would use two transcedent instead of the VD but i only have one)

-second list: CCB - Tecnhomancer - Chronomancer - 20x reaper warriors - 2x5 Skorpekhs - Transcedent c'tan - 10x shield Lychguards - Ghost ark - 3x3 scarabs

In the second list i'm thinking about not using the lychguards and use the third 5 man skorpekhs as well plus some other thing but that's not really the point, my doubt is about the 20 man warrior blob + ghost ark or the second c'tan mainly. What do you guys think?

Honestly I like the first list A LOT more. I think warriors had their day and aren't necessary atm. Lots of points invested into a single mechanic (RP) which a good number of armies can literally ignore since they can easily deal 20+ wounds in a single phase. I also think the void dragon is 100% fine in the new meta. There's a huge variety of lists, and many of them have a good number of vehicles so anti-vehicle is a solid tech. The only side note is that you might want to find a way to fit a few LHDs into the list for added any-vehicle from a distance.

You cannot have two ctans in one detachment. 20 warriors supported by a ghost ark and technomancer are unkillable.

2nd C-Tan has to be Auxilliary for 2CP,

First list either way

 p5freak wrote:
You cannot have two ctans in one detachment. 20 warriors supported by a ghost ark and technomancer are unkillable.

Both list are a patrol and a vanguard because i don't want to have two troops.

I also think the void dragon is 100% fine in the new meta. There's a huge variety of lists, and many of them have a good number of vehicles so anti-vehicle is a solid tech. The only side note is that you might want to find a way to fit a few LHDs into the list for added any-vehicle from a distance.

While i do like the void dragon i was thinking of using the c'tans really carefully to rain c'tan powers on opponents (double sky of falling stars usually), i don't know if i will be using the VD that way but in some matchup you might be right. I don't like the LHDs to much, my anti-vehicle from distance are TSK and the doom scythe.

Ryushi wrote:
While i do like the void dragon i was thinking of using the c'tans really carefully to rain c'tan powers on opponents (double sky of falling stars usually), i don't know if i will be using the VD that way but in some matchup you might be right. I don't like the LHDs to much, my anti-vehicle from distance are TSK and the doom scythe.

I'd be cautious about putting all of the anti-vehicle hopes and dreams on a single doom scythe (TSK has a lot of things he needs to do so he does help, but max 2 good shots isn't always enough). Is there a reason you don't like LHDs? I've found them to be exceptional, especially near TSK. Even if they're not doing max damage, they create a threat that your opponent needs to constantly plan around which can be very handy.

 Parsalian wrote:

Ryushi wrote:
While i do like the void dragon i was thinking of using the c'tans really carefully to rain c'tan powers on opponents (double sky of falling stars usually), i don't know if i will be using the VD that way but in some matchup you might be right. I don't like the LHDs to much, my anti-vehicle from distance are TSK and the doom scythe.

I'd be cautious about putting all of the anti-vehicle hopes and dreams on a single doom scythe (TSK has a lot of things he needs to do so he does help, but max 2 good shots isn't always enough). Is there a reason you don't like LHDs? I've found them to be exceptional, especially near TSK. Even if they're not doing max damage, they create a threat that your opponent needs to constantly plan around which can be very handy.

Ok let's start with saying that i do not have them so that's the first reason why they are not in the list. The first list is actually 1980 points (i was thinking about the light cover arkana for the last 20 points), if i take out one skorpekh squad to a 4 man i could put 1 in. I do think that the doom scythe is necrons best anti-tank options tho, so if i were to put a second LHD i would instead try to fit in a second doom scythe.

Ryushi wrote:

 Parsalian wrote:

Ryushi wrote:
While i do like the void dragon i was thinking of using the c'tans really carefully to rain c'tan powers on opponents (double sky of falling stars usually), i don't know if i will be using the VD that way but in some matchup you might be right. I don't like the LHDs to much, my anti-vehicle from distance are TSK and the doom scythe.

I'd be cautious about putting all of the anti-vehicle hopes and dreams on a single doom scythe (TSK has a lot of things he needs to do so he does help, but max 2 good shots isn't always enough). Is there a reason you don't like LHDs? I've found them to be exceptional, especially near TSK. Even if they're not doing max damage, they create a threat that your opponent needs to constantly plan around which can be very handy.

Ok let's start with saying that i do not have them so that's the first reason why they are not in the list. The first list is actually 1980 points (i was thinking about the light cover arkana for the last 20 points), if i take out one skorpekh squad to a 4 man i could put 1 in. I do think that the doom scythe is necrons best anti-tank options tho, so if i were to put a second LHD i would instead try to fit in a second doom scythe.

Totally fair! I just played a list using 2 doom scythes and honestly I quite liked it. They're strong and if you can keep them safe and the king alive in t1 they can put out some significant hurt so definitely not a bad choice there. LHDs just happen to be easier to fit into a list due to points difference but i get ya. I think the light cover arkana is interesting, esp if you can buff the king constantly. I think most of the time he'll end on on his invuln anyway but of all the arkanas, it's probly the strongest right now.

Update, i tried the first list vs new csm (black legion with abby). I won (84-56), the list was good but i did feel to have to few trading pieces, i would very much like to add 2x3 tomb blades squad so i'm trying to see where i could cut 100 points.

Ryushi wrote:
Update, i tried the first list vs new csm (black legion with abby). I won (84-56), the list was good but i did feel to have to few trading pieces, i would very much like to add 2x3 tomb blades squad so i'm trying to see where i could cut 100 points.

Nice! What was the full list you ended up running?

+++ New Roster (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [111 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] +++

++ Supreme Command Detachment +2CP (Necrons) [21 PL, 5CP, 400pts] ++

+ Configuration [2CP] +

Detachment Command Cost [2CP]
. Categories: Configuration

Dynasty Choice: Dynasty: Szarekhan
. Categories: Configuration

+ Primarch | Daemon Primarch | Supreme Commander [21 PL, 3CP, 400pts] +

The Silent King [21 PL, 3CP, 400pts]: Warlord
. Categories: Faction: Necrons, Faction: Szarekhan, Primarch | Daemon Primarch | Supreme Commander, Warlord
. Szarekh: Sceptre of Eternal Glory, Scythe of Dust, Staff of Stars
. . Categories: Vehicle, Character, Fly, Supreme Commander, Phaeron, Noble, Dynastic Agent, The Silent King, Szarekh, Core
. 2x Triarchal Menhir: 2x Annihilator Beam
. . Categories: The Silent King, Vehicle, Fly, Dynastic Agent, Triarchal Menhirs, Core

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Necrons) [48 PL, 2CP, 865pts] ++

+ Configuration [4CP] +

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [6CP]
. Categories: Configuration

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]
. Categories: Configuration

Dynasty Choice: Circumstance of Awakening: Relentlessly Expansionist, Dynastic Tradition: Eternal Conquerors, Dynasty:
. Categories: Configuration

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim
. Categories: Configuration

+ HQ [9 PL, -2CP, 150pts] +

Catacomb Command Barge [9 PL, -2CP, 150pts]: Dynastic Heirlooms [-1CP], Gauss Cannon [5pts], Rarefied Nobility [-1CP], Relic: Voltaic Staff, Staff of Light, Warlord Trait (Codex 1): Enduring Will
. Categories: Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Catacomb Command Barge, Fly, Overlord, Vehicle, Character, Quantum Shielding, Noble, Core, HQ

+ Troops [4 PL, 80pts] +

Immortals [4 PL, 80pts]: Gauss Blaster, 5x Immortal [80pts]
. Categories: Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Immortals, Infantry, Core, Troops

+ Elites [22 PL, 380pts] +

Skorpekh Destroyers [8 PL, 150pts]
. Categories: Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Faction: Destroyer Cult, Infantry, Skorpekh Destroyers, Core, Elites
. Skorpekh Destroyer (Reap-Blade) [30pts]: Hyperphase Reap-Blade
. 4x Skorpekh Destroyer (Thresher) [120pts]: 4x Hyperphase Threshers

Transcendent C'tan [14 PL, 230pts]: Crackling Tendrils, Fractured Personality: Cosmic Tyrant, Power of the C'tan: Sky of Falling Stars, Power of the C'tan: Transdimensional Thunderbolt
. Categories: Character, C'tan Shard, Faction: Necrons, Fly, Monster, Transcendent C'tan, Elites

+ Fast Attack [4 PL, 90pts] +

Canoptek Scarab Swarms [2 PL, 45pts]
. Categories: Canoptek Scarab Swarms, Faction: Canoptek, Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Fly, Swarm, Fast Attack
. 3x Canoptek Scarab Swarm [45pts]: 3x Feeder Mandibles

Canoptek Scarab Swarms [2 PL, 45pts]
. Categories: Canoptek Scarab Swarms, Faction: Canoptek, Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Fly, Swarm, Fast Attack
. 3x Canoptek Scarab Swarm [45pts]: 3x Feeder Mandibles

+ Flyer [9 PL, 165pts] +

Doom Scythe [9 PL, 165pts]: Heavy Death Ray, Twin Tesla Destructor
. Categories: Doom Scythe, Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Fly, Vehicle, Aircraft, Core, Flyer

++ Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Necrons) [42 PL, -4CP, 735pts] ++

+ Configuration [-3CP] +

Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]
. Categories: Configuration

Dynasty Choice: Circumstance of Awakening: Relentlessly Expansionist, Dynastic Tradition: Eternal Conquerors, Dynasty:
. Categories: Configuration

+ HQ [6 PL, -1CP, 90pts] +

Technomancer [6 PL, -1CP, 90pts]: Arkana: Hypermaterial Ablator [1 PL, 20pts], Canoptek Cloak, Relic: Veil of Darkness, Staff of Light, Stratagem: Relic [-1CP]
. Categories: Character, Cryptek, Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Infantry, Technomancer, HQ, Fly

+ Elites [34 PL, 600pts] +

C'tan Shard of the Void Dragon [18 PL, 300pts]: Canoptek Tail Blades, Power of the C'tan: Antimatter Meteor, Power of the C'tan: Voltaic Storm, Spear of the Void Dragon
. Categories: C'tan Shard, Faction: Necrons, Character, Fly, Monster, C'tan Shard of the Void Dragon, Elites

Skorpekh Destroyers [8 PL, 150pts]
. Categories: Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Faction: Destroyer Cult, Infantry, Skorpekh Destroyers, Core, Elites
. Skorpekh Destroyer (Reap-Blade) [30pts]: Hyperphase Reap-Blade
. 4x Skorpekh Destroyer (Thresher) [120pts]: 4x Hyperphase Threshers

Skorpekh Destroyers [8 PL, 150pts]
. Categories: Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Faction: Destroyer Cult, Infantry, Skorpekh Destroyers, Core, Elites
. Skorpekh Destroyer (Reap-Blade) [30pts]: Hyperphase Reap-Blade
. 4x Skorpekh Destroyer (Thresher) [120pts]: 4x Hyperphase Threshers

+ Fast Attack [2 PL, 45pts] +

Canoptek Scarab Swarms [2 PL, 45pts]
. Categories: Canoptek Scarab Swarms, Faction: Canoptek, Faction: , Faction: Necrons, Fly, Swarm, Fast Attack
. 3x Canoptek Scarab Swarm [45pts]: 3x Feeder Mandibles

That's a solid list. Did you feel like you were missing a chronomancer at any point or do you think the list didn't need him that much? Any highlight moments from the game that surprised you or were just worth noting? I'd be interested to hear how the strategy panned out vs your theorycrafting.

 Parsalian wrote:
That's a solid list. Did you feel like you were missing a chronomancer at any point or do you think the list didn't need him that much? Any highlight moments from the game that surprised you or were just worth noting? I'd be interested to hear how the strategy panned out vs your theorycrafting.

I did not feel the need for a chronomancer, sure some times skorpekhs took some save on 6 but in the end they are 30 points, i thinks 2,5 skorpekhs are better than a chronomancer but i might be wrong. Might be useful on the doom scythe, i would definitely run one if i'm going to use 2 doom scythe.

As i said i felt the need to have more tools, at some point i needed to use the skorpekhs for action and trading and i need to fix that. I'm still not convinced on the VD, i think using a nightbringer as a scarecrow or a cheaper transcendent c'tan are both better options.
TSK is nuts but at this point is not a surprise for anyone, the highlights is definitely him going in to take the center and kill the few remaining termis, next turn gettin charged by abaddon dealing him his 3 wounds and somehow surviving to that monster (bad luck in my opponents rolls tbf), in my turn manage to deal 4 wounds between c'tan powers and shooting and in the combat phase he died and explode bringin Abby with him.

LMAO TSK exploding and taking Abbadon with him has to be one of the most satisfying things I've heard yet.

But it sounds like you had a solid game and bring up a good point about the VD. I think he's awesome, but he's more of a skew/tech choice that shines mostly against the right opponent. A cheaper transcendent or even the NB are better 'all-comers' choices for sure.

I do agree about the Chrono though. I think with 2 Doom Scythes you're going much more all in on investment and likely should use the 5++ on one of them t1 at least to get more value from that. It's much harder to hide two so having some safety net for one of them does help.

 Parsalian wrote:
But it sounds like you had a solid game and bring up a good point about the VD. I think he's awesome, but he's more of a skew/tech choice that shines mostly against the right opponent. A cheaper transcendent or even the NB are better 'all-comers' choices for sure.

Yeah of course if you meet Knights you're gonna be very happy but i would like to be ready for everything. Taking both problems (VD and few tools) I will definitely try to swap him out and put in 10 lychguards and a squad of tomb blades, i would use a second transcedent instead of the 10 lychguards but i do not have it..