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2022/07/28 10:50:32
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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Not sure on the logistics of getting this to work, but if it is a sustainable practice I'm all for it:
https://chng.it/Pg8LmGspv6
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2022/07/28 11:05:22
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Thing is….I put mine in my recycling bin, which is collected for me.
However, I’m not sure the plastic can be recycled into new miniatures? I don’t one way or the other, but there’s something in the back of my head that the recycling process results in a lower grade plastic?
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2022/07/28 11:09:48
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Yeah I just recycle mine myself.
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2022/07/28 11:10:21
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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I throw them at ducks in the pond. I'm sure it will work itself out.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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2022/07/28 11:14:11
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Central recycling just doesn’t make financial sense for GW, or environmental sense overall.
Getting the sprues back involves transportation, and in the U.K. that most likely means by road.
Not only would GW need to do free postage, footing the bill themselves, but they also have to pay for commercial waste.
Us mooks have our bins collected, funded by our Council Tax.
It’s a noble ideal, but just not necessary nor practical.
I’d imagine things will of course vary country to country though.
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2022/07/28 11:21:13
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I've had empty sprues deliberately left on top of my plastic recyling bin after collection from my council... simply refused to take them.
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2022/07/28 11:24:21
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Foxy Wildborne
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Again?
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2022/07/28 11:30:22
Subject: Re:Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
The Battle Barge Buffet Line
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GW could recycle them as the next Barnes and Noble boxed game with a low priced easy to assemble starter force of spruecrons.
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2022/07/28 11:31:07
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The logistics of it - packaging, transporting etc - to get it back to GW would probably outweigh the "benefits" of doing it in the first place, ESPECIALLY when you're asking for them to be sent to them worldwide
They don't have the capacity or infrastructure to handle it. They set up some recycling stuff as mentioned in their latest report but there's from what I've read elsewhere the type of plastic used complicates things and it certainly isn't as simple as "just recycle them to make more sprues" as the petition implies.
I feel like the whole idea hasn't had any thought put into it beyond "recycling is meant to be good!".
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2022/07/28 11:35:02
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Dakka Veteran
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I'd sooner GW stop making physical codex's and rule books. Save the planet that way instead.
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I've been playing a while, my first model was a lead marine and my first White Dwarf was bound with staples |
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2022/07/28 11:37:29
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Dakka Veteran
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I have a plastic recycling bin at my apartment complex but I am not putting any sprues in it because I know they will not be recycled. I believe it varies by country but around here plastic recycling only accepts plastic packaging material, not all kinds of plastic.
Personally I believe that sprues could technically be recycled but it's more complicated process than it's worth.
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2022/07/28 11:47:31
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Central recycling just doesn’t make financial sense for GW, or environmental sense overall.
Getting the sprues back involves transportation, and in the U.K. that most likely means by road.
Not only would GW need to do free postage, footing the bill themselves, but they also have to pay for commercial waste.
Us mooks have our bins collected, funded by our Council Tax.
It’s a noble ideal, but just not necessary nor practical.
I’d imagine things will of course vary country to country though.
I spoke to some of the GW staff the last time I was at Warhammer Fest in person, and they said they have looked at this issue multiple times and its exactly as you said, the logistics just don't make sense, they even looked at sprue collection bins in store and it was just not financial or environmental sense, especially in the UK where they can just be put in the recycling bin.
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2022/07/28 11:57:41
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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I signed this, it looks like a good idea, but might not be.
Signing the petition brings the suggestion to the attention to GW. Who will look at this with an entirely different lens.
Will this result in a resource saving?
It may well do, if enough sprue is collected to be worth shipping, it may pay for them to recycle.
My motive to signing and approving this petition is because I have a fairly low opinion of GW corporate, they can be rather hidebound and blinkered. Dakka is no stranger to this sentiment.
Petitions of this kind are dangerous, GW will know not to piss off the climate woke and will need to reply carefully. This likely means they will have to think through a response at a reasonably high level.
As a design studio GW thinks outside the box, as a corporation they do the opposite. I think this petition will be useful if it clears out some cobwebs and gets the board to actually think before packing up at lunchtime and spending four days a week on the golf course.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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2022/07/28 11:59:49
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Speed Drybrushing
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High Impact Polystyrene (HIPS) can be ground up and reused to make new products but it's a difficult process and not all recycle centres can do it, that's why some local councils refuse to except sprues.
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2022/07/28 12:03:58
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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There is another dynamic to this.
Lots of people above commented on placing their plastic in the recycling box.
But what happens next?
The council dutifully collects and recycles?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/17/plastic-recycling-myth-what-really-happens-your-rubbish
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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2022/07/28 12:23:25
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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[DCM]
Fireknife Shas'el
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Yeah, our local council explicitly says “no hard plastics (toys, etc.)”, so mine just go in the bin
After I’ve clipped off useful bits
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2022/07/28 12:27:44
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Germany
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This is going to achieve literally nothing
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"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
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2022/07/28 13:01:56
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Another one of these? Also, did anybody actually do the math on this? Recycling is largely one of the biggest scams there is, as the price/energy use of just making something new vastly outweighs the cost of trying to recycle (if it is even possible, specifically for plastics this is a large issue). I'm sure the idea is well intended but I'm not sure if it actually helps.
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2022/07/28 14:40:01
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Ahtman wrote:I throw them at ducks in the pond. I'm sure it will work itself out.
Wait a couple of million years and it may become oil again.
Some people just don't have the patience though.
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2022/07/28 14:59:04
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Been Around the Block
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MoD_Legion wrote:Another one of these? Also, did anybody actually do the math on this? Recycling is largely one of the biggest scams there is, as the price/energy use of just making something new vastly outweighs the cost of trying to recycle (if it is even possible, specifically for plastics this is a large issue). I'm sure the idea is well intended but I'm not sure if it actually helps.
Sweden just uses plastic that isn't economically viable to recycle as fuel for district heating etc (energy recycling is the euphemism of choice). Not the greatest use, but at least it doesn't leak micro plastics from a landfill or similar.
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2022/07/28 15:51:19
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Recycling of metals or glass is quite energy efficient (aluminum for example is way cheaper to recycle than to chemically separate from its mineral form bauxite), but for plastics many of the traditional recycling methods don't work or aren't cost efficient to perform (chemical separation is often very expensive). In many cases the method for "recycling" is actually reuse, by doing new products with the same material but in a different form.
One example of this plastic reuse disguised as recycling is the creation of threads from plastic products and then create t-shirts and other pieces of clothing, which obviously only works with a subset of the materials we define as plastics.
Placing your sprues for recycling or in the garbage should be basically the same in most countries and reuse of the sprues would be a more adequate way to deal with environmental impact.
One thing that would help the environment, however, would be a transition of materials on GW side like Lego is apparently trying to do, by replacing the lego blocks plastic for a greener plastic that is going to be supposedly biodegradable (they are still in research phase), which obviously might raise some concerns in endurance of the pieces and the ageing of the material.
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2022/07/28 16:19:20
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Posts with Authority
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Signed.
I dunno just how feasible this would actually be to pull off IRL but the planet is drowning in plastic waste already. Anything to lessen the waste is good methinks.
GW should also start announcing the carbon footprint of their products (whats the manufactoring print, whats the distribution print etc).
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2022/07/28 16:31:58
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Prospector with Steamdrill
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Keel wrote:MoD_Legion wrote:Another one of these? Also, did anybody actually do the math on this? Recycling is largely one of the biggest scams there is, as the price/energy use of just making something new vastly outweighs the cost of trying to recycle (if it is even possible, specifically for plastics this is a large issue). I'm sure the idea is well intended but I'm not sure if it actually helps.
Sweden just uses plastic that isn't economically viable to recycle as fuel for district heating etc (energy recycling is the euphemism of choice). Not the greatest use, but at least it doesn't leak micro plastics from a landfill or similar.
As long as there are power plants running on oil as well, I don’t have any issues with running them on oil that has been used as a plastic bag or as a GW sprue first. I guess that’s happening with most of our 'recycling' plastics nowadays.
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2022/07/28 17:08:39
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Lego should be the least concerned about recycling (at least when it comes to the actual bricks), hardly anyone will ever throw bricks away, they just gets passed down / passed on.
In actual fact for that product, having a resilient, long-lasting plastic is probably the most environmentally friendly, as it can be re-used forever, without the energy cost of replacing it.
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2022/07/28 17:13:12
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Doesn't mean it's recycled, much of the sorting is done once the collection is back at the plant, and if it's not a plastic that plant can recycle, even if it's a material that can theoretically be recycled somewhere, best case scenario is that it ends up in landfill with extra carbon miles on it, worst case is it contaminates something that could otherwise been recycled quite easily and takes that with it. Admittedly that's not so likely with plastics, but it's possible.
In the UK not all recycling is equal in all areas, and anything apart from very common materials needs to be double checked before it's disposed of.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
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The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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2022/07/28 17:23:17
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Jadenim wrote:Lego should be the least concerned about recycling (at least when it comes to the actual bricks), hardly anyone will ever throw bricks away, they just gets passed down / passed on.
In actual fact for that product, having a resilient, long-lasting plastic is probably the most environmentally friendly, as it can be re-used forever, without the energy cost of replacing it.
I think the justification for Lego's research was mostly the use of oil to produce it rather than the impact of the blocks after production. From what I saw in the news the difficulty was finding a non-oil based plastic that had similar physical properties, as Lego wanted to keep the same resistance, endurance and compatibility, but without requiring oil based plastics.
My previous reply was mostly in that direction, reducing the impact from the production point of view and not expect companies to recycle things from all over the world, with transportation adding a lot of cost to the environment with very little gain.
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2022/07/28 17:30:50
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ah, this whole thing again.
This idea comes around every once in a while, but the fact of the matter remains: the cost of shipping sprue material through a bespoke 'gw recycling distribution system' is cost prohibitive.
Especially when, if you truly care, you can put your sprues in your own recycling bin.
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2022/07/29 00:32:23
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Making Stuff
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drbored wrote:
Especially when, if you truly care, you can put your sprues in your own recycling bin.
As was mentioned up the thread, this is not actually the case in many areas. Plastic recycling is often limited to certain types of plastics, and HIPS is not commonly one of them.
But, yeah, centralised recycling doesn't really seem viable or cost effective. I've been keeping an eye on the various filament extruder systems out there, waiting for one of them to come down in price to something affordable, at which point I plan on recycling old sprue into priting filament.
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2022/07/29 01:22:43
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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drbored wrote:Ah, this whole thing again.
This idea comes around every once in a while, but the fact of the matter remains: the cost of shipping sprue material through a bespoke ' gw recycling distribution system' is cost prohibitive.
Especially when, if you truly care, you can put your sprues in your own recycling bin.
Not only is it cost prohibitive, I'd wager it's not even that environmentally friendly.
There have been academic studies that look at the trade-offs between ceramic mugs and disposable paper cups. If you care about solid waste, the ceramic mug is better. If you're concerned about the carbon footprint, ceramics are worse because of the energy needed to run a dishwasher or even heat water for hand washing. Likewise, when you look at paper grocery bags vs. plastic, the plastic creates more landfill, but the paper bags have a much higher "embodied energy" score – the measure of all the energy required to produce it.
In the States, we have a lot of space to bury waste so the bigger concern is keeping carbon out of the air.
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2022/07/29 01:28:24
Subject: Petition to get GW to recycle sprues.
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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That very much reads like somebody with a vested interest commissioned studies looking at very specific criteria that they hoped would support an argument they want to make.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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