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I have a few thoughts on this list that I'm tinkering with
1) is the smash captain worth the 3cp
2) how do I spend the remaining 20pts?
3) I'm amenable to major structural changes, such as including a second vanguard detachment of DW.

For secondary objectives, the list is structured to do
1) Death on the wind
2) engage on all fronts
3) variable depending on opponent, but default to martial interdiction for the RWBKs and company champion to take out, with "hidden agenda" to hide that I've taken it until its too late if prudent

++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [95 PL, 2CP, 1,980pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Dark Angels

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

Ravenwing Outrider Detachment [3CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Ravenwing Apothecary [6 PL, -1CP, 135pts]: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter
. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon

Ravenwing Champion [4 PL, 70pts]
. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon

+ HQ +

Captain on Bike [6 PL, -3CP, 115pts]: 2. Fury of the Lion (Aura), combi-melta, Heavenfall Blade, Power sword, Stratagem: Paragon of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, The Imperium's Sword, Warlord

Ravenwing Talonmaster [9 PL, 175pts]

+ Elites +

Ravenwing Black Knights [18 PL, 245pts]
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Huntmaster: Corvus Hammer

+ Fast Attack +

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 180pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 180pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta

Bike Squad [14 PL, 330pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Biker Sergeant: Combi-melta
. 5x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Bike Squad [14 PL, 330pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Biker Sergeant: Combi-melta
. 5x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Ravenwing Land Speeder Vengeance [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy bolter

Ravenwing Land Speeder Vengeance [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy bolter

++ Total: [95 PL, 2CP, 1,980pts] ++

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Land speeder vengeances kinda suck….. maybe run some dark shrouds and a second talon master

What's wrong with Vengeances? The profile looks good, is it the fragility or is it just too little firepower for the price?

On average it will put out 4-5 shots and MAYBE wound 2-3 average times which isn’t bad BUT for damage output to points ratio they have always failed me. I just dropped mine for 3 more black knights and a land speeder with missles and multi melta.

What about 3 BKs, 2 MM ABs, and upgrading the champion to a chapter champion? List would end up looking like this



+ No Force Org Slot +

Ravenwing Apothecary [6 PL, -1CP, 135pts]: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter
. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon

Ravenwing Champion [5 PL, 85pts]
.Chapter Champion
. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon

+ HQ +

Captain on Bike [6 PL, -3CP, 115pts]: 2. Fury of the Lion (Aura), combi-melta, Heavenfall Blade, Power sword, Stratagem: Paragon of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, The Imperium's Sword, Warlord

Ravenwing Talonmaster [9 PL, 175pts]

+ Elites +

Ravenwing Black Knights [18 PL, 350pts]
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer
. Ravenwing Huntmaster: Corvus Hammer

+ Fast Attack +

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 180pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 180pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta

Attack Bike Squad [4 PL, 120pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta

Bike Squad [14 PL, 330pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Biker Sergeant: Combi-melta
. 5x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Bike Squad [14 PL, 330pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Biker Sergeant: Combi-melta
. 5x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Hey, I've got couple of advice, I've played with ravenwing myself before..

- you need some units to hold backfield objectives, land speeder typhoon is excellent for that, while providing fire support
- definately run max sized unit of black knights, so you'll get the most out of plasma stratagem
- try to include the darkshroud into the list, it is really useful against shooty armies, such as tau or Astra militarum
- you also might want to include chapter master or sammael, for full rerolls

Looks a lot better lots of options to fiddle with I do highly suggest giving the ravenwing champion the reliquary of the repentant. Especially with so many 4+ invul saves forcing it down to a 5+ makes a huge difference

Taking a melee-focus on RW lists is a trap. Corvus Hammers are only S5 AP-1, with 2A base (aka melee heavy bolter). It's good to tackling T4 units, but there are plethora of other options that deal with T4/5 in general. You're better off focusing on keeping your RBK's at arm's length and spam the S7/8 shots at key targets, only going into melee when you need to tie something up towards turns 3/4.

Champion looks good on paper, but points wise two extra RBKs perform better.

Your points for RBK's are off by 5 per model unless there was a point update I'm not aware of.

Agreed on the Vengeance - the plas storm battery looks tempting, esp. after the changes to overheating rule to keep it in line with vehicle mounted plasmas, but Typhoons are slightly more versatile in holding back line objective while being able to shoot @ 48".

Regarding Captain, it's really no brainer to find the points to upgrade it, and at that point, Sammael is better choice unless you're going for a "no-named character" theme.

Also, is there a particular reason why you're not taking a Darkshroud?

Plan was to be a versatile RW list, but I can focus more on shooting.

RWBKs were changed so corvus hammers are free in the last points update so no harm in taking them

No particular reason for not taking a darkshroud, but I'll reconfigure to take one in the list.

I am aiming to avoiding named characters but I'll consider samael