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Liche Priest Hierophant





Bergen

Small spoiler for Ark of Omen ahead.

Spoiler:


So in Ark of Omen some secondaries give you CP. Tyranids experimented with this is Cranial Feasting, but because of unit restrictions it rarly came up. (Had to be done with anything with a tentacle mouth.)

How ever, in Ark of Omen the resteiction is that it needs to be done by troops. I belive it is Assassinate (kill characters) Grind them down (kill more units then your opponent) and behind enemy lines (be in the opponents deployment zone.)

This can be performed by Armiger, War Dog or Troop choises and you get the CP. I believe you are stil limited to getting no more then 1 CP extra in each round.

Note that Assassinate is very dependent on your opponents list. Grind them down is bad in an msu type list. And behind enemy lines needs you mobile.



So who would benefit the most from this? Knights would do very well. Their troops are essentially dreadnoughts and very strong. I am stil a bit unclear if this work if they are allied in, but I think so. So any army that can ally in 3 ranged armingers probably will. D3 weapons are just to strong.

But who have good troops? With the new detachment many armies can play with no troops at all. On topp of my head GSC seems to be a big winner. But they are terrible at grind them down, so perhaps behind enemy lines for them.

Custodies also have above average troops. While not bile they can play grind them down quite well.

Ork has good troops, if they get the charge on you. Da jump is good to get things behind enemy lines.

Tyranids are in a rough place, but big blobs of warriors could farm some CP with grind them down.

Space marines in general did not like their troops before the point drops. But they can arrive by drop pod and I do belive deep strike with some stratagems. SW in particular can outflank, and they can pack Terminators into units. I am not shure how "horde marine" will play grind them down yet though. There is an argument to push melee units up the field with transports to get behind e emy lines. (Space Wolves in razorbacks?)

What other army has good troops that can be used alongside some of those secondaries? Either good killy troops in an army that can play grind them down. Or very mobile troops in an army that can do behind enemy lines.

Or is this not a good enough incentive to bring troops at all in Ark of Omen?

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Glasgow

Mechanicus accompanied by 3 armigers

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!!Goffik Rocker!!






Knights are the obvious winner.

As for orks, i'm not sure we're gona see a lot of troops. You see, orks only ever used grots and beastsnaggas. Can't do much with grots other than an ork specific action secondary and beastsnaggas depend on killrigs. They're fairly ok if you get them across the board. But killrigs are not that hard to kill with antitank weapons as they have no extra protection beyond t8 and 5++ on waaagh. And guess what we're gona see en masse now - antitank weapons everywhere as guards are all the rage very soon and marines are back in the picture with like +30% extra killiness. Orks will have to adapt. You will most likely not make it across the board with your couple rigs and a wagon - especially if you roll 2-d turn, thus killrigs are not gona be as great. And if rigs are not great, there's no point in bringing troops riding them.

I think orks are gona move to a 2-d turn betta-strike list with outflanking kanz and planes arriving 2-d turn backed up by some trukknobz and a bikerboss. 1-st turn you'll need to hide behind los with half of your list ofc. So, msu kommandoes are the way to go. They're also nice for another ork secondary - greentide. 2-3 squads of grots are all the troops you're gona see in competitive ork lists most likely.

Just my theoryhammer so far. Might not be the case ofc.

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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler




It seems you might get the CP in Grind Them Down even if you don't score it.

The main factions that might get benefit are those with troop slot units that are good enough to get taken in AoO (where you can take zero) that can also kill things.
IK/CK - Armigers/War Dogs
Harlies - Troupes
Dark Eldar - Wyches/Wracks
TS - Rubrics (might not score with smiting though)
DG - Plague Marines
Daemons - Bloodletters/Daemonettes
   
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Bergen

No ody is gonne take grind them down in an MSU army. Dark Eldar are MSU. Are the dark eldar troops any good? I thought they where filler/support.

Harlequens must be an unplayable army after the nerf.

   
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler




GTD is generally just a very difficult secondary, especially if you end up going first.

So it is the worst of the three and least likely to be taken.

For DE, as you say, lots of small units means lots of chances to score BEL or Assassinate.
   
 
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