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The battle brothers rule says you can include one AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM aux support detachment, if you have an IMPERIUM AoO detachment. How can you have an IMPERIUM AoO detachment when thats illegal, according to the AoO detachment diagram ?

BATTLE BROTHERS
If your Arks of Omen detachment is an IMPERIUM detachment, you can include one of the following as an allied detachment : one AGENTS OF THE IMPERIUM auxiliary support or patrol detachment........

You cannot build an Arks of Omen detachment if the only unifying Faction Keyword is Imperium. However, a detachment is a X faction if all units in that detachment have that Keyword.

Thus, a detachment that contains only Blood Angels units is:

A Blood Angels detachment

An Adeptus Astartes detachment

An Imperium detachment

Detachment is not the same as your entire army.

That’s been the case since 8th edition.

 alextroy wrote:
You cannot build an Arks of Omen detachment if the only unifying Faction Keyword is Imperium. However, a detachment is a X faction if all units in that detachment have that Keyword.

Thus, a detachment that contains only Blood Angels units is:

A Blood Angels detachment

An Adeptus Astartes detachment

An Imperium detachment

It cant be an IMPERIUM detachment, because thats illegal.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Detachment is not the same as your entire army.

That’s been the case since 8th edition.

This is not about what faction your entire army belongs to, this can be IMPERIUM. This is about the AoO detachment, where it cant be IMPERIUM.

IMPERIUM detachments are illegal?

Got any proof?

 DeathReaper wrote:
IMPERIUM detachments are illegal?

Got any proof?

Look at the spoiler AoO diagram in my post.

Alextroy's post is 100% correct and you need to slowly and carefully read exactly what the words in that picture says.

 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
IMPERIUM detachments are illegal?

Got any proof?

Look at the spoiler AoO diagram in my post.

I did, it does not say that "IMPERIUM detachments are illegal"

It basically says that the only faction in common can not be "IMPERIUM"

Either the rule does nothing (this has never been the intent from GW), or If the detachment has Adeptus Astartes (Or any chapter etc) and also has "IMPERIUM" it will qualify.


Honestly, you read so many rules incorrectly, it must just be a translation thing right? (Not judging anything I am just genuinely curious).

The faction keyword in an AoO detachment can't be IMPERIUM. If alextroys example is 100% correct, who gets to choose what the faction keyword is ? I don't see anything in the rules who decides what the faction keyword of a detachment is ?

 alextroy wrote:
You cannot build an Arks of Omen detachment if the only unifying Faction Keyword is Imperium. However, a detachment is a X faction if all units in that detachment have that Keyword.

Thus, a detachment that contains only Blood Angels units is:

A Blood Angels detachment

An Adeptus Astartes detachment

An Imperium detachment

Perhaps it would help if there was an "and" after each bullet point. So a detachment with all Blood Angels is a Faction Keyword "Blood Angels" detachment and a Faction Keyword "Adeptus Astartes" and, a Faction Keyword "Imperium" detachment. If it was only a Faction Keyword "Imperium" it would be illegal as an AoO detachment. However, it still retains all of its Faction Keywords. Therefore, you can use the battle brothers rules to have a second detachment (non-AoO) with the Faction Keyword "Imperium" to ally with.

Wrong. It says that the faction keyword that everyone shares cannot be IMPERIUM.

You have a really, really odd view of so,ething that's been around for four years. You don't choose the faction keyword the detachment has. It has ALL OF THEM

Read it again. AoO has a restriction on the SHARED keyword . Not on what keywords exist

I think I get what he's going after:

Emphasis Mine wrote:If your Arks of Omen detachment is an IMPERIUM detachment, you can include one of the following as an allied detachment

You cannot make an IMPERIUM Arks of Omen Detachment, so the whole spiel about including an Agents of the Imperium Battlebrothers thing is useless, because there are no IMPERIUM Arks of Omen Detachments. There are only BLOOD ANGELS, ULTRAMARINES, etc Arks of Omen Detachments who may or may not be able to include a Battle Brothers Det of some kind.

Of course you can make an AoO detachment that is IMPERIUM, ie every single unit within it shares the IMPERIUM keyword but of course, doesn't ONLY share that keyword.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Of course you can make an AoO detachment that is IMPERIUM, ie every single unit within it shares the IMPERIUM keyword but of course, doesn't ONLY share that keyword.

That is a plausible interpretation, but there is no rule that I can find saying that. Where I can find rules about FACTION Detachments, it deals with a lower tier Faction keyword. I.e. An Ultramarines Detachment is a detachment that has all yadda yadda. I can't find anything that says: An Imperium Detachment is a detachment that yadda yadda, or that other Faction Keywords can make it more than one FACTION Detachment.

@Breton- Are you claiming that a detachment can only use 1 Faction Keyword and that any other potential Faction Keywords are ignored?

For example I can have a unit of Blood Angel troops and a unit of Ultramarine troop in the same AoO detachment because they share the Adeptus Astartes Faction Keyword. However they also share the Imperium Faction Keyword. If what you are saying is true, that you can only use 1 Faction Keyword, then who gets to determine which word is used? There's no guidance in the rules because there's no need to choose. Units maintain all of their Faction Keywords throughout the process. Find a rule that says that you alter a data sheet to remove "excess" Faction Keywords. Since you don't have permission to edit the data sheet you can't remove parts from it. As such a unit maintains all of its Faction Keywords and you can use them at will.

I dont get it. If alextroys example is 100% correct, it is all three at the same time. If its all three at the same time its also an IMPERIUM detachment, which would not be legal.

What makes an IMPERIUM detachment one that is not legal in AoO, and what makes an AoO detachment that is also IMPERIUM legal ? What rule is determining what faction keyword from all it has is the one that counts ?

They get all of the Faction Keywords. There is no decision to make. You can use whichever keyword(s) is/are advantageous to you whenever you need.

Don't feed the troll he knows the answer it hasn't changed since previous detatchments