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Since discussion of the Rogal Dorn hull plate (or lack thereof) is threatening to take over the Imperial Guard news thread I am moving discussion here.

This would be the place for discussion whether or not we need to cover our Dorn Holes, how best to close a Dorn Hole, humorous takes, rending of garments and/or setting armies on fire.



Note that there is now an STL for the missing plate, for people who own a 3d printer and for some reason want to fill their Dorn Hole but not print an entire tank.

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/dorn-tank-power-bottom-filler

The happy meal Macharius is inexcusable for a supposedly premium product sold at a premium price.

As much as I agree to the point that it is easy enough to fix this and one will rarely if it all look at the bottom of this tank... this bothers me a lot more then it should.

I do not need more unpainted plastic in my closet so this has helped me resist temptation and given me some good laughs so thank you GW for including the Dorn Hole.

I find it a pretty big flaw in the model because it limits what kinds of terrain you can put the model on (like going over an obstacle) without it looking silly. I get the coat saving argument but honestly making another mould isn't that expensive compared to what it would sell.. I'm generally already shocked by how empty many GW boxes are compared to other manufacturers. Additionally, it just feels like an unfinished product and at that price point you kind of want a finished one?

BREAKING

Rogal Dorn to be reboxed with 2 rectangular cavalry bases so players can shut their Dorn Holes!

I would only buy it if there are rules for hiding stuff under it

 Albertorius wrote:
I would only buy it if there are rules for hiding stuff under it

Things i can see in the immediate future:

- Tyranid/GSC conversion with some beastie wearing the Dorn like a Hermit Crab wears its shell
- Ork Looted Dorn Flintstones car Conversion
- ''Dornholing'' competitions in gaming clubs, where you flip your Dorns to the back and try to hit the Dornhole with thrown dice.

 Dolnikan wrote:
I find it a pretty big flaw in the model because it limits what kinds of terrain you can put the model on (like going over an obstacle) without it looking silly. I get the coat saving argument but honestly making another mould isn't that expensive compared to what it would sell.. I'm generally already shocked by how empty many GW boxes are compared to other manufacturers. Additionally, it just feels like an unfinished product and at that price point you kind of want a finished one?

I also enjoy my several hundred ton tanks being balanced on 1 track as it realistically balances the bulk of it's weight on a wooden fence post.

 Dolnikan wrote:
I find it a pretty big flaw in the model because it limits what kinds of terrain you can put the model on (like going over an obstacle) without it looking silly. I get the coat saving argument but honestly making another mould isn't that expensive compared to what it would sell.. I'm generally already shocked by how empty many GW boxes are compared to other manufacturers. Additionally, it just feels like an unfinished product and at that price point you kind of want a finished one?

Well 5 digit sum of pounds(closer to 6). Do you really think it's going to increase sales that much?-)

Lol. I trust anybody who ordered and complains returns the box then. Otherwise you are hypocrite.

tneva82 wrote:

Lol. I trust anybody who ordered and complains returns the box then. Otherwise you are hypocrite.

So far, there have been a total 15 downloads of a specific STL for a Dorn floor plate, up from 7 yesterday:

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/dorn-tank-power-bottom-filler

So at least a couple of people seem to care enough to spend a handful of dollars to remedy the situation.

if I buy a premium model, for a premium price, I expect to get one

it does not matter if I can easily close it on my own, 3D print the missing plate or that no one will ever see it if I put a base under the tank

If you can print parts to fix it, you can just print the full model instead
and if you like conversion and don't care you would go with the cheapest base not the most expensive one

It's a £55 tank. At that price I don't think I should have to choose between an intact hull and decorative extras.
If GW didn't have such an aversion to anything non-plastic then they could make the plate in resin themselves and just pop it in the box as an extra.

It’s rather disappointing, if I was to revamp my guard. I would probably like to pick one up.
But this makes the whole kit way more of a pain to deal with.

And I would sacrifice some of that customisation for a full tank, if GW needs too on there expensive premium tank kit.

i am still of the opinion this thing shouldn't have been made and instead that we should've gotten plastic malcador.
alas

 kodos wrote:
if I buy a premium model, for a premium price, I expect to get one

it does not matter if I can easily close it on my own, 3D print the missing plate or that no one will ever see it if I put a base under the tank

If you can print parts to fix it, you can just print the full model instead
and if you like conversion and don't care you would go with the cheapest base not the most expensive one

If someone wanted the cheapest alternative or was into 3d printing then the fact the base plate is missing wouldn't matter, they'd never buy it anyway.

Yes... $90 US for an incomplete model. like a $10 green army men tank. chock up another mark in the "how low can GW go" tally.

Very glad i don't buy anything from them anymore.

 Albertorius wrote:

Things i can see in the immediate future:

- Tyranid/GSC conversion with some beastie wearing the Dorn like a Hermit Crab wears its shell
- Ork Looted Dorn Flintstones car Conversion
- ''Dornholing'' competitions in gaming clubs, where you flip your Dorns to the back and try to hit the Dornhole with thrown dice.

Gw listens to their fans!

Bwahaha..."yeah they heard you...now buy the rest of the kit we didn't include for a small added fee."

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Gw listens to their fans!

hilariously cant figure out if parody or not, even checked warhammer community - because this legit sounds like GW move lol

sandor1988 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Gw listens to their fans!

hilariously cant figure out if parody or not, even checked warhammer community - because this legit sounds like GW move lol

I think any post with the phrase 'GW listens to their fans" can be safely assumed to be parody.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I do not need more unpainted plastic in my closet so this has helped me resist temptation and given me some good laughs so thank you GW for including the Dorn Hole.

The Dornholio needs plastic for it's bunghole.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

sandor1988 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Gw listens to their fans!

hilariously cant figure out if parody or not, even checked warhammer community - because this legit sounds like GW move lol

I think any post with the phrase 'GW listens to their fans" can be safely assumed to be parody.

Oh they listen, but not in the "we are taking your feedback on board and will act to address this issue" sense, but rather the "And how can Comcast help you today?" sense.

tneva82 wrote:
Well 5 digit sum of pounds(closer to 6). Do you really think it's going to increase sales that much?-)

Given how much of the mould-making kit GW has in-house these days - and how frequently they're chucking out short-run characters for events - there's no way the cost of making one sprue is pushing six figures. Honestly, I'd be shocked it if was above the low five figures, and probably only reaching there due to inflation over the last two-to-three years.

When was the last time we got a cost estimate for producing a mould for a sprue from someone who knows GW's processes, rather than someone from the outside looking in?

One thing we can say for GW is that they've invested a lot in the mould-making tech over the years.

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well 5 digit sum of pounds(closer to 6). Do you really think it's going to increase sales that much?-)

Given how much of the mould-making kit GW has in-house these days - and how frequently they're chucking out short-run characters for events - there's no way the cost of making one sprue is pushing six figures. Honestly, I'd be shocked it if was above the low five figures, and probably only reaching there due to inflation over the last two-to-three years.

When was the last time we got a cost estimate for producing a mould for a sprue from someone who knows GW's processes, rather than someone from the outside looking in?

One thing we can say for GW is that they've invested a lot in the mould-making tech over the years.

From their annual reports, we know that their total cost for mould tooling per year is in the middle of the single-digit million range, with about the same amount invested in machinery and software every couple of years. Overall expenses for moulding and tooling amount to around 10 million pounds yearly. From that, you can infern an upper limit to the cost of any given sprue.

 Dysartes wrote:
how frequently they're chucking out short-run characters for events - there's no way the cost of making one sprue is pushing six figures

The reason most molds are produced from steel is for durability. They're designed to last 10-20 years, although you will still see mold lines gradually increase over time as the tool wears down.

However it's possible to produce cheaper aluminum injection molds. These wear out much faster and are typically only good for a few thousand uses (compared to 100k+ for steel), but are ideal for limited-run models that are made once then dropped.

Edit: Also to clarify; the six-figure cost is likely for a large complex kit with multiple large sprues, such as vehicles. Smaller sprues for models like characters will cost far less.

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:
if I buy a premium model, for a premium price, I expect to get one

it does not matter if I can easily close it on my own, 3D print the missing plate or that no one will ever see it if I put a base under the tank

If you can print parts to fix it, you can just print the full model instead
and if you like conversion and don't care you would go with the cheapest base not the most expensive one

If someone wanted the cheapest alternative or was into 3d printing then the fact the base plate is missing wouldn't matter, they'd never buy it anyway.

that is the point, if I like to fix my models, why should I buy GW at all. You can get stuff that needs a little fixing way cheaper while if I pay premium I don't want to fix something, no matter how "little" it might be

Defending GW here is the ultimate consoomer move. Like, the kit ain't finished LMAO

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I do not need more unpainted plastic in my closet so this has helped me resist temptation and given me some good laughs so thank you GW for including the Dorn Hole.

The Dornholio needs plastic for it's bunghole.

This passed by without comment, so I just want to backtrack slightly and say bloody well done - that cracked me up