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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/06/05 06:05:44
Subject: Reinforcements!
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Am i right in thinking that this strat cannot be used on attached units ?
If the starting strength of a unit is 25 (because it had a command squad and a commissar attached to it, increasing its starting strength to 25, or whatever number it is above 20, dont know how many models there are in a command squad) and the 20 model bodyguard unit is destroyed, you cannot add a new unit identical to your destroyed unit in strategic reserve, at its starting strength, with full wounds remaining. The unit that was destroyed had 20 models, but its starting strength is 25. Only the starting strength of remaining units is changed back to its original starting strength. You would need to add a 25 model unit, which you cant do because its not identical to the 20 model unit which has been destroyed.
ATTACHED UNITS
Some CHARACTER units have the Leader ability (pg 39),
which lets them merge with other units (known as
Bodyguard units) to form an Attached unit.
The Starting Strength of an Attached unit is equal to
the combined Starting Strengths of all of its units (i.e.
the number of models in the Leader unit added to the
number of models in the Bodyguard unit). If either the
Leader unit or the Bodyguard unit in an Attached unit
is destroyed, the Starting Strength of the remaining unit
is changed to be equal to its original Starting Strength.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/06/05 07:07:50
Subject: Reinforcements!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There's a clause in the very same rule you quoted above that tells you rules that trigger when a unit is destroyed, those rules can still be triggered when either an Attached or Bodyguard unit is destroyed.
It seems pretty clear to me that the intent is you can use this on the destroyed part of a Regiment unit that previously had an Attached unit. If the intent was otherwise I think the Restrictions section would have contained that caveat. Probably worth an FAQ to make it entirely clear though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/06/05 07:13:10
Subject: Reinforcements!
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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If you destroy an Attached unit it was comprised of two (or more) units. The Bodyguard unit had a Starting Strength before it became an Attached unit and followed those rules. That’s the Starting Strength the Strat is referencing.
Non-issue borne of over-poking into wording. Underthink it, not overthink it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/06/05 08:57:49
Subject: Reinforcements!
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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JohnnyHell wrote:If you destroy an Attached unit it was comprised of two (or more) units. The Bodyguard unit had a Starting Strength before it became an Attached unit and followed those rules. That’s the Starting Strength the Strat is referencing.
That is not what the strat is saying. Dont make a statement without backing it up. Rule #1 of YMDC. You dont know if GW wants a destroyed bodyguard unit coming back, or not. The strat could be written that way to prevent a bodyguard unit coming back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/06/05 10:47:12
Subject: Reinforcements!
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Dakka Veteran
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p5freak wrote: JohnnyHell wrote:If you destroy an Attached unit it was comprised of two (or more) units. The Bodyguard unit had a Starting Strength before it became an Attached unit and followed those rules. That’s the Starting Strength the Strat is referencing.
That is not what the strat is saying. Dont make a statement without backing it up. Rule #1 of YMDC. You dont know if GW wants a destroyed bodyguard unit coming back, or not. The strat could be written that way to prevent a bodyguard unit coming back.
If they didn’t want the unit coming back they’d have written the rule preventing attached characters from coming back differently to explicitly prevent that as well.
Context is fairly clear here despite the ambiguous wording.
Hopefully it’ll be FAQ’d.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/06/05 11:34:52
Subject: Reinforcements!
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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When 20 ig troopers die the unit is considered destroyed(pg12). Attached leaders aren't needed to kilj for unit to be destroyed. Indeed unit is destroyed before those can die. Then any effects triggered by destruction(like above stratagem) can be used.
Not even ambigious except for guys who arque for sake of creating flame war
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/06/05 11:35:35
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/06/05 13:40:02
Subject: Re:Reinforcements!
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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And we're done here, this is getting tiresome.
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