Flying Rubric Marines?

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**alextroy**

Yes. See Flying on page 15 of the Core Rules.

In short, a Model must have the Fly Keyword to benefit from Flying movement. Putting Ahriman on a Disc of Tzeentch in a unit of Rubrics gives the unit the Fly Keyword, but not any of the model besides Ahriman himself.

**alextroy**

Scion of Fate wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
That's the big thing about 10th edition people don't seem to get:

Unit and Models are two different things. Conceptually, the unit has all keywords that its component models have, but the keywords do not back-propagate, i.e. models don't gain keywords by being in an unit.

Then, some things use the unit keywords (i.e. attacks are made against the unit as a whole, so Anti-Fly works against the unit even if only just one model has Fly) while others like movement are determined on a per-model base (e.g. every model needs Fly for the unit to make a Fly move, every model needs Deep Strike for the unit to be set up via Deep Strike) and not everything spells that out, and then there are exceptions (like e.g. the movement rules for Deathwatch killtemas with mixed models).

It's hard to grasp because it's needlessly inconsistent; it's not like a model vs unit distinction is particularly new to those of us who've played for many editions, but the way it's being handled is odd. Take the Rubric Marine unit itself. The Aspiring Sorcerer model in a PSYKER, but the unit does not have to have the PSYKER keyword. Yet when Ahriman, as a Leader CHARACTER, joins the unit, even though only he as a model has the FLY keyword, for some reason he has to confer his FLY keyword to the unit...and does not confer it to any models.
It seems odd that the Aspiring Sorcerer, as an integral part of the unit, is quite happy having his own independent keywords rather than lumbering the unit he's in with a keyword they can't use but which can be used against them, but Ahriman, as an "independent character" (to grandfather in some language from previous editions) is not, and must share all of his keywords with the unit for no particular reason.
It feels like the so-called clarification in the Rules Commentary was really a rushed and ill-thought-through response to an oversight, in that nobody remembered unit keywords were introduced afted the idea of characters leading units had been abandoned, and running the two systems together gets messy.

There is no inconsistency here, because a unit of Rubric Marines does have the Psycher Keyword as long as it contains an Aspiring Sorcerer because he has the keyword.

I'm actually rather confused why people are confused by this rule. It is the same keyword rule we had in 9th Edition! The only difference is we now have Leader units that can join with other units.