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- Great Unclean One
(280pts)

- Horticulous Slimux
2 x Beasts of Nurgle
(270pts)

- Spoilpox Scrivener
10x Plaguebearers
(210pts)

- Epidemius
10x Plaguebearers
(230pts)

Total: 990pts

Thoughts?

Thanks
-Matt

No opinions on this?

I know Demons are hardly meta and the Demons of Nurgle are some of the weakest of them. But I'd still like to give the god of plagues a chance to win a fight.

I thought about getting rid of the GUO and replacing him with a small unit of Nurglings and a large unit of Plague Drones to give my army some more mobility. The downside to this, is the GUO is my only str 8 model.

Another option would be to remove Slimux and the two Beast of Nurgle. This would also give room for the Nurglings and Plague Drones.

Maybe drop one or both of the PB characters in favor of the other units you mentioned.

PBs aren't that tough, and giving up 2 kills per unit isn't great.

Trading in a few bonuses from the characters for some stuff that's killier or tougher seems like a decent idea.
Even think about a DP, although they are quite expensive.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Maybe drop one or both of the PB characters in favor of the other units you mentioned.

PBs aren't that tough, and giving up 2 kills per unit isn't great.

Trading in a few bonuses from the characters for some stuff that's killier or tougher seems like a decent idea.
Even think about a DP, although they are quite expensive.

Do you mean Epidemius and the Spoilpox Scrivener? What do you mean by "giving up 2 kills per unit isn't great."?

I could give those two up for a small unit of three Plague Drones. But it would drastically weaken the Plague Bearers and hurt my command point earnings. Epidemius gives his unit a 4+ invuln save and for every 7 models you kill (any model killed by any of your models), you can get a free command point. The Scrivener isn't as strong as Epidemius but still gives his unit exploding 6's on their hit roll, which is nice because they only have 2 attacks.

So the downside of attaching a character to a unit is that, if someone manages to kill the whole blob, that counts as 2 unit kills! So for secondaries that say, for example, "Kill 2+ units sitting on an objective," they just have to kill that one single blob to get max points.

Epidemius is definitely better than the Scrivner, especially sitting on a back objective.
Consider the Sustains Hits on a unit of PBs. You're gonna get 25 attacks WS3+, which averages to 8 misses and 4 addl hits, for a total of 21 hits. Against Marines, that's 15 wounds (if we include the Lethal Hits), and 8 fails, for 4 dead Marines.
Without the Character, you instead get 12 wounds and 6 fails, for 3 dead Marines.
Forcing through 2 extra damage isn't exactly game changing.
The OC bonus from the Scrivner is good...but again, it probably won't be helping that often, because the unit is just gonna die if it gets targeted.

Of course, 65pts is a steal for a character, but if you tool around you can leverage probably better uses of those points.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
So the downside of attaching a character to a unit is that, if someone manages to kill the whole blob, that counts as 2 unit kills! So for secondaries that say, for example, "Kill 2+ units sitting on an objective," they just have to kill that one single blob to get max points.

Epidemius is definitely better than the Scrivner, especially sitting on a back objective.
Consider the Sustains Hits on a unit of PBs. You're gonna get 25 attacks WS3+, which averages to 8 misses and 4 addl hits, for a total of 21 hits. Against Marines, that's 15 wounds (if we include the Lethal Hits), and 8 fails, for 4 dead Marines.
Without the Character, you instead get 12 wounds and 6 fails, for 3 dead Marines.
Forcing through 2 extra damage isn't exactly game changing.
The OC bonus from the Scrivner is good...but again, it probably won't be helping that often, because the unit is just gonna die if it gets targeted.

Of course, 65pts is a steal for a character, but if you tool around you can leverage probably better uses of those points.

I see, thanks for the explanation!

Something else the Scrivener offers is improved leadership. If you are in your shadow of chaos, and you pass a battle-shock test with a battleline unit, it regains D3 lost models.

My plan was to start the Scriveners unit in reserve. Meanwhile Epidemius's unit would move to take and hold objectives in the back line. The GUO and Slimux's unit would also be placed in reserve using "the realm of chaos" stratagem. In the following turn I would drop the Scrivener's unit onto a desirable objective and the GUO along with Slimux's unit would be dropped onto high value targets such as tanks or characters.

With all that said, I'm not turning away any suggestions of a better tactic or unit selection. A possible replacement for the Scrivener would be the Poxbringer which also has a nice buff. Otherwise, I'm not sure what I can do with the points. 75pts if I ditch the Scrivener or even 160pts if I also ditch Epidemius, just doesn't offer much as killier stuff is expensive. If I drop both characters, I could get a small unit of nurglings and a small unit of plague drones which could open up some more options in a game but it would make my two battleline units much weaker.

I appreciate the input!

Thank you
-Matt

Used this list against my friend over the weekend. He was playing Slaanesh demons so the game was fairly balanced.

Any time my tougher units such as the GUO or Slimux engaged his units, it was a win for me. These two units were just too tough for Slaanesh to kill. The Plague Bearer were also able to do their jobs pretty well (holding objectives). However it was still a loss for me, the primary and secondary objectives seriously favored speed and Slaanesh has that in spades. I had the worst luck with objectives! The ending score was something silly like 15 to 50+ with him constantly scoring by crossing the entire map in a single movement phase! Turn two and on, was all fighting in my deployment zone!

I see some mistakes I made and will try again. But the cards need to be more in my favor if I ever expect to beat him by points!




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Here is another 1000pt idea based on my first game. I would have preferred to keep Epidemius but I can't make it work inside 1k points. Epidemius's Plague Bearer unit actually held up through two rounds of combat with a KOS and a unit of Seekers, even killing a number of seekers.

Wish I could find a way to get 30pts for the upgrade to a model. But if I get rid of the Scrivener, I would be left with 35pts that I can't do anything with.

- Great Unclean One
(280pts)

- Horticulous Slimux
2 x Beasts of Nurgle
(270pts)

- 6 x Plague Drone's (240pts)

- Spoilpox Scrivener
10x Plaguebearers
(210pts)

total: 1000pts