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Hi.

What are worthwhile units to grab as brood brothers for GSC? We loose a lot of the inate rules that make IG good in their codex. Like better stats when standing stil and orders.

So far my eye has caught these:

Heavy weapons teams: Mortars seems OK at 60 points.

Hellhound, good flamer. Good source for overwatch. 2+ save.

Wyvern: BS4+! And heavy means indirect is not so bad. Can also slow deathstars of there is no chaff to shoot away.

Scout sentinel: T7 model if we are not realyong on line operator on cheap unist.

Leman Russ punisher: Anti horde shooting.

What do you think? Slim pickings? Good supplements? Any golden treasures I missed?





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After reading more of it the manticore seems to be perfect for killing space Marines. In particular the big group of desolation marines. Hitting on 4 with the re-roll and damaging on 2+.

I stil like the wyvern also for the softer armies.

From a purely competitive standpoint there is nothing worth taking in the guard codex for GSC.

Indirect fire is not that valuable when you can deep strike units 3" away and drop a bunch of demo charges, or deepstrike 9" away and fire a bunch of seismic cannons, grenade launchers and flamers/webbers. For the same points you will just get less effective units from brood brothers.

The most competitive GSC builds focus on doing as much damage with pure GSC units turn 2-3. Usually capable of killing off half of your opponents army on the drop. Replacing those units and the characters they need attached to pull that off with some guard units is not competitive.

you want overwatch flamers? GSC already have that with the clearance incenerator- which is on vehicle which can also do damage in the assault phase.

For competitive play there is no reason to take Guard for GSC

I ran into a blood angels opponent. He had 10 desolators with a medic equipped with bolter disipline. These where extremely dominating. And while I threw enough things on them to kill them (even through armour of contempt) I think I need a better strategy vs them. (On overwatch they killed 20 neophytes alongside the characters in the unit. That was only hitting on 6's.)

He also used the librarian dreadnought to "jump" units first turn. This where both very good vs GSC. The dreadnought could deep strike units to kill my blips.

I would like a better presence on turn one, as well as something that can threaten must kill glass gannon units. The manticore sounds like something that would help having better presence to prevent deep strike, and can threaten the desolators.

Each desolators gets 1d3 indirect shots with blast. Vs 20 neophytes that is an average 6 shots. Even without oath of moment he will still have sustain hits 1 on 5 and 6. So one gets 5 hits ignoring cover. And there are 10 of them. The ventar launcher is also insane. (Not counting their main krak rockets, but those are overkill vs GSC.) Desolators are good in general, but vs GSC they are particularly good.