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We now have photos of the actual models - I've only had a chance to have a quick look, however. Having been on the fence about the Mk III Marines when we first saw them, I am sold - I think they look better than the existing version. What does everyone think?

I don't like the helmet spikes, and I'm concerned how they'll look next to my existing MK3.

Happy with the Deredeo!

Not happy at all with the Mk III personally. They have a dentical poses to mk vi, so CAD reskin? Bigger issue is the knees, the changed bolter muzzle brake holes, the backpacks which are all uglier imo. The ww1 prussian style pickelhaube helmets look awful to me, but at least those can be easily swapped unless you want the DG look. But it adds expense to the kit, buying FW heads or printing.

Overall I much prefer the current mk iii. If you want the same proportions as mk vi go longer 3rd party legs, or add 3mm cork to base if you want the same height.

Also a bit disappointed they use plastic design and production resources to re-engneer a good kit (arguably making it bigger, but worse) and not that plug the gaps.

No Breacher shields which would have been a great fit for Mk iii. Mk II or mk V would have been much better choices for basic plastic marines. They are both basically OOP and way out of scale.

I really really don't need more Marines. Hell I've got 5 Rocket Launchers, 20 Despoilers, 5 Firedrakes, an old Whirlwind, and 6 bikes all left to do for various armies.
Buuuuuuut, those helms are calling to me.

 westiebestie wrote:
Happy with the Deredeo!

Not happy at all with the Mk III personally. They have a dentical poses to mk vi, so CAD reskin? Bigger issue is the knees, the changed bolter muzzle brake holes, the backpacks which are all uglier imo. The ww1 prussian style pickelhaube helmets look awful to me, but at least those can be easily swapped unless you want the DG look. But it adds expense to the kit, buying FW heads or printing.

Overall I much prefer the current mk iii. If you want the same proportions as mk vi go longer 3rd party legs, or add 3mm cork to base if you want the same height.

Also a bit disappointed they use plastic design and production resources to re-engneer a good kit (arguably making it bigger, but worse) and not that plug the gaps.

No Breacher shields which would have been a great fit for Mk iii. Mk II or mk V would have been much better choices for basic plastic marines. They are both basically OOP and way out of scale.

The legs are also flared, the waist is missing a plate, like the lower one is attached to the belt buckle rather than to a second plate attached to the chest. The Chest also is more curved, almost an S shape, and lacks trim and reinforcement plates on all parts of it. The shoulder reinforcements are much less flared, they're missing the "beak" over the foot, and they have these weird elbow plate extensions. It feels almost like they forgot mk3 is an upgrade package for mk2, rather than a wholely unique suit. They look... round, for lack f a better term.

Deredeo's great though, no complaints there.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:
Happy with the Deredeo!

Not happy at all with the Mk III personally. They have a dentical poses to mk vi, so CAD reskin? Bigger issue is the knees, the changed bolter muzzle brake holes, the backpacks which are all uglier imo. The ww1 prussian style pickelhaube helmets look awful to me, but at least those can be easily swapped unless you want the DG look. But it adds expense to the kit, buying FW heads or printing.

Overall I much prefer the current mk iii. If you want the same proportions as mk vi go longer 3rd party legs, or add 3mm cork to base if you want the same height.

Also a bit disappointed they use plastic design and production resources to re-engneer a good kit (arguably making it bigger, but worse) and not that plug the gaps.

No Breacher shields which would have been a great fit for Mk iii. Mk II or mk V would have been much better choices for basic plastic marines. They are both basically OOP and way out of scale.

The legs are also flared, the waist is missing a plate, like the lower one is attached to the belt buckle rather than to a second plate attached to the chest. The Chest also is more curved, almost an S shape, and lacks trim and reinforcement plates on all parts of it. The shoulder reinforcements are much less flared, they're missing the "beak" over the foot, and they have these weird elbow plate extensions. It feels almost like they forgot mk3 is an upgrade package for mk2, rather than a wholely unique suit.

Deredeo's great though, no complaints there.

Right you are, it seems like a sloppy treatment of a resculpt of an iconic Armour mark.

 westiebestie wrote:
seems like a sloppy treatment of a resculpt of an iconic Armour mark.

Yeah - there's a few people wondering if it's just a low-effort CAD re-skinning of the MKVI.

beast_gts wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:
seems like a sloppy treatment of a resculpt of an iconic Armour mark.

Yeah - there's a few people wondering if it's just a low-effort CAD re-skinning of the MKVI.

I could see it, seeing as the body and arm poses are the same, just swapped around in the promotional images, and they're using the mk6 accessories sprue, which is why the sarge especially looks off.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:
Happy with the Deredeo!

Not happy at all with the Mk III personally. They have a dentical poses to mk vi, so CAD reskin? Bigger issue is the knees, the changed bolter muzzle brake holes, the backpacks which are all uglier imo. The ww1 prussian style pickelhaube helmets look awful to me, but at least those can be easily swapped unless you want the DG look. But it adds expense to the kit, buying FW heads or printing.

Overall I much prefer the current mk iii. If you want the same proportions as mk vi go longer 3rd party legs, or add 3mm cork to base if you want the same height.

Also a bit disappointed they use plastic design and production resources to re-engneer a good kit (arguably making it bigger, but worse) and not that plug the gaps.

No Breacher shields which would have been a great fit for Mk iii. Mk II or mk V would have been much better choices for basic plastic marines. They are both basically OOP and way out of scale.

The legs are also flared, the waist is missing a plate, like the lower one is attached to the belt buckle rather than to a second plate attached to the chest. The Chest also is more curved, almost an S shape, and lacks trim and reinforcement plates on all parts of it. The shoulder reinforcements are much less flared, they're missing the "beak" over the foot, and they have these weird elbow plate extensions. It feels almost like they forgot mk3 is an upgrade package for mk2, rather than a wholely unique suit. They look... round, for lack f a better term.

Deredeo's great though, no complaints there.

Wow, thanks for that summary - I didn't notice all those differences.

I have ~60 of the old mk3 boys on sprue still, gotta figure out how im going to approach these new guys. Maybe I'll pass off the old stuff as "mk2.5" or proto-mk3 and the new guys as production mk3. Was already planning on putting in torso spacers to make them a bit taller compared to mk6, so size wise i dont expect any issues.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:
seems like a sloppy treatment of a resculpt of an iconic Armour mark.

Yeah - there's a few people wondering if it's just a low-effort CAD re-skinning of the MKVI.

I could see it, seeing as the body and arm poses are the same, just swapped around in the promotional images, and they're using the mk6 accessories sprue, which is why the sarge especially looks off.

Probably not quite a re-skin per se, at least not what most people probably imagine when they say/hear those words. Its more likely a... er... re-rig... of the Mk6 kit.

When minis like this (i.e. basic infantry kits where its a box of a bunch of mostly identical dudes) are sculpted, its usually one mini that gets sculpted in more of a T-Pose. Once the T-pose sculpture is done, they "rig" it to a "skeleton". I.E. - they identify joints and control points, etc. to build basically a digital armature that lets them manipulate the various parts of the model so it can be moved, posed, deformed, and animated, etc. (calling it a skeleton is a bit misleading because those control points can simulate musculature, such as facial muscles needed to make a model smile or frown or blink, etc.). Depending on what you're doing you can basically set up a stand-alone skeleton rig, pose it and set it up as a template, identify the control points on your model, and then use macro-commands, etc. to rig each control point to a corresponding point on the skeleton to basically automate the process of posing your minis. GW has been doing this for humanoid models for a while now (often they hide it a bit by making slight manual adjustments post-automation, such as changing the angle that a model might be holding a sword or something trivial)


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Also, how is nobody talking about the biggest scandal of the evening??? Deredeo is apparently pronounced "Dorito"!? I had no idea.

Is that legit? Like surely they're joking.

Its how they said it in the stream, but I imagine they were playing up the meme of people calling it the dorito.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Also, how is nobody talking about the biggest scandal of the evening??? Deredeo is apparently pronounced "Dorito"!? I had no idea.

It can't be, unless you're American talking with a country accent like Brad Pitt when he speaks "german" in Tarantino's Inglorious Basterds..

I try to articulate it as if it was latin or I was Italian. [Derr-eh-dee-oh].

Dorito is what I heard Eddie say on stream. Thats the only "official" pronunciation I'm aware of - I sure hope he was joking, but its not clear that he was.

so, they only mentioned the autocannons and the plasma guns on the article, are they going to skip plastic volkite falconets or heavy lascannons? they also didn't mention the Boreas Air Defence Missiles.


on the mark III armour....im torn. on the one hand, i'm going iorn warriors and am happy i will get new mkIII armour thats cross compatible with the plastic weapon upgrades. on the other hand....i dont really like the helmet spike as standard? It just doesn't quite work for me. hopefully i can remove it easily enough, or just use legion heads instead.

Mk3 - I like it, I'm glad it exists, I'm glad it's cross compatible. I'm not glad about the identical poses to the Mk6 and the identically bare-bones core kit. It does however look like a bit of blank canvas that will look a lot better as 3d prints with legion specific bling on it.

Dorito - my least favorite HH Dreadnought, but it's fine, glad to have it in plastic.

I'm in for two boxes probably.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, they only mentioned the autocannons and the plasma guns on the article, are they going to skip plastic volkite falconets or heavy lascannons? they also didn't mention the Boreas Air Defence Missiles.

Best guess is same as the Contemptor - limited options in the initial box with a better kit coming later (fingers crossed for atomantic pavaise!).

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, they only mentioned the autocannons and the plasma guns on the article, are they going to skip plastic volkite falconets or heavy lascannons? they also didn't mention the Boreas Air Defence Missiles.

Wasn't the Leviathan in a similar boat initially? I might be remembering wrong but I could have sworn it was teased with just one variant and then the other was released later with the full kit when Warcom did a spotlight article.

 Gert wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, they only mentioned the autocannons and the plasma guns on the article, are they going to skip plastic volkite falconets or heavy lascannons? they also didn't mention the Boreas Air Defence Missiles.

Wasn't the Leviathan in a similar boat initially? I might be remembering wrong but I could have sworn it was teased with just one variant and then the other was released later with the full kit when Warcom did a spotlight article.

Yeah, I'm expecting a 2 kit release like the leviathan.

In this case they can clearly fit 2 arm options and one missile launcher in a box. Another box with the remaining las and volkite, plus the AA missile would make a lot of sense.

The spikes on the helmets can easily be cut off and the top of the helmets shaved down.

they look ok, prefer the older Mk III though, and would have preferred Mk III specific upgrades

missed opportunity though, this set should have had the Mk VI assault bods in it, and command models

Anyone dare speculate on price?

Looks like 250€ value, so 180€ if basic bundle discount, 150€ if pushed?

I love the new MKIII, but I didn't love the old rendition of the kit, so fans of the old kits will probably be annoyed ("they changed too much"?). These new bolters look awesome, I will want to mix some in for my MKVI tacs (assuming bitz are compatible)

I do prefer the helmets in the older kit. A 50/50 mix of old and new might look even more visually interesting. Maybe cut off most of them spikes tho..

Just wish GW's painted examples were less "crips" looking.. for a heavy plate such as MKIII, I like a more battered aesthetic

Its vital that the new weapons bitz are interchangeable, you can easily build veteran squads out of the MKIII as soon as the kit releases.

They are, it's confirmed both on stream and in the description of the new boxset which comes with the special weapons upgrades.

 Gert wrote:
They are, it's confirmed both on stream and in the description of the new boxset which comes with the special weapons upgrades.

HALF the special weapons. only 5 of each.

But that’s not it! You also get a Legion Special Weapons set, containing five lots each of plasma guns, meltaguns, flamers, rotor cannon, volkite chargers, and volkite calivers. Shove them into the Land Raider, and deliver your choice of high-energy death to the enemies/adherents of the Emperor!

it still looks to be a decent box for anyone that wants to start HH.
Buy yourself 2 rhinos and an HQ and you are basically good to go into any direction you could want.

Not Online!!! wrote:
HALF the special weapons. only 5 of each.

Not the point I was making there dude. The number is irrelevant because the question was about whether the weapons were cross-compatible, which they are.

i know, it still is imo important to point it out.

Half the kit is still enough to equip almost every body... assuming you'd want to field five minimum sized Support Squads

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Half the kit is still enough to equip almost every body... assuming you'd want to field five minimum sized Support Squads

4.

Member you still need 2 non support units.

? Surely if you were re-doing it would be small mk4? But why not just do Mk2 and make lots of players happy?

Mk2 isn't as popular as 4 and 3.
Mk5 would be a massive pain to do.