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Really? I would love Mk2 marines for stuff like Ultra's who were on the end of the list for updated gear. That and stuff like Nightlords where I imagine the new gear went to the biggest bullies.

I'm not going to pretend I'm some sort of insider or whatever but just going from what my group went for when we all started HH, Mk4 was the go-to and that was pre-Calth.

I would really like to see Mk2 make a return even if it's just on FW again but I don't think it's coming around any time soon. GW has three armour patterns to work off that kind of fit the whole "stages of the Legions" thing. Mk3 is the veteran plate from the Crusade, Mk4 is for the early Heresy and Mk6 is the standard for the Legions running up to the Siege.

Ideally, there should be access for all armour marks in plastic. This would make it more feasible to field HH armies more closely resembling some of the illustrations used in the lore, where the majority of depicted Astartes armour is a mishmash of various marks. Pulling that off with resin gets expensive and is a much more labour intensive prospect

Not Online!!! wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Half the kit is still enough to equip almost every body... assuming you'd want to field five minimum sized Support Squads

4.

Member you still need 2 non support units.

What's a "support squad"? I just need Terror Squads.

But it would have been a better kit if they just made a small upgrade sprue of 5 or 10 pairs or longer legs for the old Mk3

Deredeooooooooooo!

Finally, more Dreadnoughts!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Finally, more Dreadnoughts!

This could be read as sarcastic, but I assume it's not

Wasn't anywhere close to the top of my list, but it's different enough that it's a good addition to the plastic range.

Stats don't seem remarkable either, but it does seem to have one of the rare plasma profiles that isn't awful, I look forward to fielding that.

Deredeo is a cool model, but doesn't seem worth its points compared to a contemptor. The Mk III somehow look much worse than the old resin version.

It has single arm gun that's marginally better than Contemptor guns but costs more than a Contemptor with two. The no-LOS, Pinning missile rack would probably be worth the difference if it could split fire but AFAIK it can't?

Not everything has to be about stats and rules.
The more parts of the HH range that get put into plastic the better, regardless of whether or not they're "meta" or not.

just think for a moment if GW had made a kit similar to the old tactical box, for Mk II, Mk III, MK IV & Mk VI

you know say ten leg poses, a mix of static, walking, running and kneeling. provided the bolters, chainswords, pistols etc and one or two heavy weapons plus some fancier bits

that one box now makes, tacticals, assault and versions of them, command, command squads etc

then another box for each of "upgrades" with five jump packs, appropriate torsos, further melee weapons and a selection of special and heavy weapons - all designed to work the the base kit..

Yes I often imagine that.

Ultimately, MkIII armor is my least favorite of the three available in plastic. Not that it's bad, I just like the look of the other marks more, especially MkIV. That said, I bought a few boxes of the old MkIII for my SoH. Since I was going to a mismash of armor types to simulate that even Horus was running low on resources by the time of the Siege of Terra. And I really liked the old MkIII as a source of chainswords.

The new ones don't bother me. They might break the illusion of the cork I put under the older, shorter MkIII if side-by-side, but nothing I'm too concerned about. I'm also not that bothered by the poses being the same as the MkIV. Honestly, 3/5 of the poses are pretty neutral. While arm and head modeling generally conceals the other 2/5. Not that I know of anyone that scrutinize that closely once they are on the table, anyway. The spike seems a non issue since it a hobby knife away from removal.

I wasn't much of a dreadnought fan before starting HH. The Contemptor never changed that. As it was my first not-Hellbrute dreadnought with the Betrayal at Calth set. It wasn't until I saw a Leviathan in person, this turned around. I like the more mech look of the Leviathan. I suspect it will be much the same with the Deredeo. I just don't know how much table time it's going to see. My Heavy Support slots are pretty full now. Made worse by favorite Rites of War further limiting them.

I plan on getting the new boxed set. Unless it is crazy not worth the price. Since I could use another Proteus and wouldn't mind a Deredeo. I'd have to sit on MkIII marines. Since I don't have anything I can do with them yet. I'd like some Breachers, Destroyers and Dispoilers. But my bits pile is too low to make any of those things happen. I'm sure I'd find use for them in time as more weapons accessory sprues are released. Or I seek out 3rd party stuff.

 Gert wrote:
I'm not going to pretend I'm some sort of insider or whatever but just going from what my group went for when we all started HH, Mk4 was the go-to and that was pre-Calth.

I would really like to see Mk2 make a return even if it's just on FW again but I don't think it's coming around any time soon. GW has three armour patterns to work off that kind of fit the whole "stages of the Legions" thing. Mk3 is the veteran plate from the Crusade, Mk4 is for the early Heresy and Mk6 is the standard for the Legions running up to the Siege.

I think the Mk IV set will disappear soon, as they're now the only 'short-arse' Marines in the Heresy range. I would like to see it replaced with set of Mk V 'Heresy' armour - it's visually distinctive, and ideal for representing the middle stage of the Heresy. It could also be mixed with the other 2 armour types. I think GW could manage the studs by doing the legs in 2 parts.

Mk5 has studs on the helmet, upper and lower leg, arms, and one shoulder pad. The only parts without bonding studs are the hands, other pad and power pack.
Mk5 ain't happening without a significant redesign.

 Gert wrote:
Mk5 has studs on the helmet, upper and lower leg, arms, and one shoulder pad. The only parts without bonding studs are the hands, other pad and power pack.
Mk5 ain't happening without a significant redesign.

Certainly not on one half sized sprue.

 Gert wrote:
Mk2 isn't as popular as 4 and 3.

Are you covering the wider audience opinion here, or your group/community? Has there been a poll or something similar on mark popularity?

It's hard to tell how popular something without plastic models are. It sounds pretty likely it is as you say, but the popuarity of III/IV is boosted by being available in plastic for so long.

Personally would love a mk II set for veterans, command etc. and I have multiple gaming friends who say it's their favourite mark. Anecdotal so can't tell anything on how popular it would be from that little population.

Agree about mk V being hard to produce. Unfortunately, as it looks so cool. I resin printed mine for a Mk V assault squad.

Mk V is easy..

here is your sprue of models

and here is your sprue of studs to fix to them

Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
Ultimately, MkIII armor is my least favorite of the three available in plastic. Not that it's bad, I just like the look of the other marks more, especially MkIV. That said, I bought a few boxes of the old MkIII for my SoH. Since I was going to a mismash of armor types to simulate that even Horus was running low on resources by the time of the Siege of Terra. And I really liked the old MkIII as a source of chainswords.

I would love an early heresy army of Mk2/Mk3. One of the returning fleets getting sucked into the fighting, would look like a lot of the old artwork and be relatively 'archaic'. If you wanted rules crunch give them a higher incidence of weapons that were becoming scarce elsewhere in the heresy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Finally, more Dreadnoughts!

This could be read as sarcastic, but I assume it's not

Wasn't anywhere close to the top of my list, but it's different enough that it's a good addition to the plastic range.

Stats don't seem remarkable either, but it does seem to have one of the rare plasma profiles that isn't awful, I look forward to fielding that.

I just adore Dreadnoughts. Always have.

Epic gave us an awesome Imperial and Chaos Dreadnought. I first encountered them via Space Crusade, when their 40K equivalents just weren’t anywhere near as cool.

Years. Years I waited for them to come proper. And now in plastic. I for one am in hog heaven!

Not gonna lie, the deredo calls to me.

It has volkite. It has Rockets.
It has Autocannons. And it looks adorable.

I guess i WILL have to field a full unit of em.

So I quite like the updated MK3, they'll fit right at home in my IV legion army.

Currently all my MK6 have the old MK3 helms and I think shaving some of the spikes off will really help them all blend in (Definitely keeping some spikes on though, maybe see if I can mix other armour parts in)

the the spikes should be easy eneugh to clip off so no biggy there

I'm torn with the new Mk III. I like the scale, quite like the design and can almost forgive the cut and paste poses from the mk6 kit, but .. they definitely aren't as cool as the old kit. If they were their own separate thing and you could still buy the old set I'd probably like them better.

This kit says a lot about GW's product strategy for Heresy though - apart from moving everything to plastic, seems that it will all get moved to the new scale, so I would expect to see mk 4 and most of the legacy resin characters (like the command squads, Praetor set) go in the nearish future. There's clearly no appetite for mark-specific accessories (maybe legion specific) or multiple resin upgrade kits. It's also clear the modular plastic marine kit style with torsos, bolters with no hands attached etc is dead.

I hope that each Mk gets their own command squad so we can add some variety at least. My worst fear is that they do a mk 2, 4, 5, 7 tactical squads all with the same poses and the same accessory sprues and same lack of customization options.

I think the new MKIII are an objective downgrade. Very disappointed with them.

Well done to all the truescale idiots out there with no imagination, another iconic kit you've killed.

Theres still local stock on some LGS's if you hunt long enough. Those and truescale torsos from Tortuga Bay are your best bet for now

 Gert wrote:
Mk3 is the veteran plate from the Crusade, Mk4 is for the early Heresy and Mk6 is the standard for the Legions running up to the Siege.

Technically Mk2 is for Vets, Mk3 was limited issue heavy boarding armour or where tight frontal assaults were needed, then Mk4 was the perfect armour that turned out to be logistics intensive so broke down in the heresy being replaced where they could with Mk6 'light' armour which morphed into Mk7 general purpose as the cheaper easier to maintain version of Mk4.

 From_Kiavahr_With_Love wrote:
I'm torn with the new Mk III. I like the scale, quite like the design and can almost forgive the cut and paste poses from the mk6 kit, but .. they definitely aren't as cool as the old kit. If they were their own separate thing and you could still buy the old set I'd probably like them better.

This kit says a lot about GW's product strategy for Heresy though - apart from moving everything to plastic, seems that it will all get moved to the new scale, so I would expect to see mk 4 and most of the legacy resin characters (like the command squads, Praetor set) go in the nearish future. There's clearly no appetite for mark-specific accessories (maybe legion specific) or multiple resin upgrade kits. It's also clear the modular plastic marine kit style with torsos, bolters with no hands attached etc is dead.

I hope that each Mk gets their own command squad so we can add some variety at least. My worst fear is that they do a mk 2, 4, 5, 7 tactical squads all with the same poses and the same accessory sprues and same lack of customization options.

I think we're going to get certain standard accessory sprues for certain key units and wargear (I.E. Standard breacher kit, standard assault marine kit, special weapons, heavy weapons, etc.), but we still seem set to get certain stuff in resin (heads for example). The heads released thus far seem to be mostly advertised as legion specific AND mark specific (at least some of them are indicated specifically as legion specific mk6 heads, I didn't check through all of them), so I think your concerns there are unfounded to some extent. As for the resin characters and units, yeah I would avoid those and wait for the resculpts. The new legion specific praetors that have been released since HH2.0 dropped all appear to conform to new scale, so those are clean. Likewise the legion specific terminator units would appear to be safe as well for the time being, as GW does not appear to be resculpting cataphractii, and one would assume they will leave the tartaros as is as well.

Luke1993 wrote:
I think the new MKIII are an objective downgrade. Very disappointed with them.

Well done to all the truescale idiots out there with no imagination, another iconic kit you've killed.

I... I'm pretty sure GW hasn't been making all their miniatures taller because they folded to the 7 people who put plasticard spacers in their Marines' waist joints

Yeah, they're WAY better than the old MKIII repackaged 40k marines, I'm just not a fan of all the death guard-y helmets. They are sort of disappointing, helmet wise to a 40k IW player.