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2024/04/12 04:14:30
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2024/04/15 05:37:49
~ Shrap
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2024/04/12 07:48:28
Subject: Re:Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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2024/04/12 09:07:48
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Solahma
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Good news but what is with that music
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2024/04/12 09:34:47
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Foxy Wildborne
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Probably some stolen sample mauled badly enough to not be picked up by automated copyright infringement detection.
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2024/04/12 10:42:44
Subject: Re:Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Oh, my wallet. My poor, poor wallet.
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2024/04/12 11:49:05
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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note sure exactly what the purpose of the "Epic" scale range is
the books for HC, P&S and BP all already cover playing at reduced scales like 2mm, 6mm & 15mm and it works fine
the new models are ok, the lack of a 40mm base width option makes them harder to use in other games though
and if the rules are anything like the ones they did for BP (ACW) you would be far better off playing the actual HC rules
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2024/04/12 13:56:41
Subject: Re:Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ther point is to have everything together in one.
Also smaller scale in plastic.
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2024/04/12 14:00:48
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Second Story Man
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leopard wrote:note sure exactly what the purpose of the "Epic" scale range is
to have small scale plastic models so people don't need to go to other companies to get those
the rules don't really change for the 15mm models it is just more models per base (but models are a good source for other games)
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2024/04/12 14:08:01
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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kodos wrote:leopard wrote:note sure exactly what the purpose of the "Epic" scale range is
to have small scale plastic models so people don't need to go to other companies to get those
the rules don't really change for the 15mm models it is just more models per base (but models are a good source for other games)
there is an issue though. take the ACW version. measurements go to cm from inches, makes perfect sense, scales really easily and no real rules changes to do it. thumbs up
except unit frontages are physically unchanged. what was say 240mm wide in 28mm is still 250mm wide in this scale, which looks amazing, no doubt, however the leaders command ranges are now a lot less in relation to unit sizes.
which is 100% avoided if you do what the basic game books suggest and also scale down the unit frontages
the models are very nice, and 10-15mm is a much better scale for these rule sets on a normal table size, can start to bring a nice sized army and the game works well. you just need to largely ignore the rules in the "epic" range and use the normal rules and add ons
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2024/04/12 14:17:11
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Second Story Man
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It is all about the models and BP being a Sandbox meaning you are supposed to change it to your liking, and the Epic rules are an example of that
Yet the main problem are the stripes which makes it almost impossible to play at a different scale than 18-24cm unit frontage and therefore needs the same 6x4 to 8x4 table
It just looks more impressive
The other problem is that we don't get other armies but just those for the single battle, combined with a proprietary scale, it is not really appealing
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2024/04/13 00:03:13
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Central Valley, California
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As someone newer to historicals, this is going to be a rad gateway into the era. My opponent and I will have available product, models that match one another in scale and quality, rules that are likely passable but not too crunchy, all from a company that will probably not be going away anytime soon. We're in.
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~ Shrap
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2024/04/13 04:00:52
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I was going to get into Hail Caesar 2nd edition (but then TOW happened...) and found that for less than $150 I picked up enough Gaul and Roman 1/72 minis to last a lifetime. That being said, smaller scale = more minis = closer to realism for numbers. Though the REALLY tiny scale can't be beaten for that, 2mm isn't it?
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2024/04/13 05:17:18
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Executing Exarch
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RustyNumber wrote:I was going to get into Hail Caesar 2nd edition (but then TOW happened...) and found that for less than $150 I picked up enough Gaul and Roman 1/72 minis to last a lifetime. That being said, smaller scale = more minis = closer to realism for numbers. Though the REALLY tiny scale can't be beaten for that, 2mm isn't it?
Can you even tell what you're looking at when the figures are 2mm?
It's a new time period for Warlord. AFAIK, their 25mm figure collection doesn't include any figures for the Punic Wars. So this won't directly compete with the figure lines that they already have available.
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2024/04/13 06:26:24
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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Finally ! I know this has been rumoured for so long, great to see that it will be coming along next.
Wonder if there will be any tit bits on show at Salute today?
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2024/04/13 08:07:24
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Charging Wild Rider
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While I like the look of both sides in this conflict, the prospect of painting decent numbers of them in 28mm certainly was an obstacle. Haven't looked closely at the previous small minis WG made due to a lack of interest in those periods, I recall they appeared rather good, so looking forward to seeing these too.
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2024/04/13 08:30:20
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Fixture of Dakka
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RustyNumber wrote:I was going to get into Hail Caesar 2nd edition (but then TOW happened...) and found that for less than $150 I picked up enough Gaul and Roman 1/72 minis to last a lifetime. That being said, smaller scale = more minis = closer to realism for numbers. Though the REALLY tiny scale can't be beaten for that, 2mm isn't it?
I'd've said 6mm would probably be more suitable, and there are quite a few ranges at that scale - see Baccus 6mm for one example.
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2024/04/13 12:26:23
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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6mm works very well, have Napoleonic models on 40mm wide bases (40x20 actually) based up for DBN, easily works for BP as well
the Warlord range are interesting as the unit frontage really matters, and thats what makes the width of their bases a pain.
e.g. a Tiny unit is 40mm, a small one is 80mm (two bases) a regular one is four bases and a large one is six bases. this is with measurement in inches still (though its better at that point to swap movement and weapons to cm, but leave command in inches)
you can of course use one base, two bases, three bases and four bases for tiny, small, regular and large - where the 60mm is a bit more reasonable)
but you don't want wider than four bases, which then brings in a further issue of OCD with the unit commander not being centred
2mm works, but you are adding labels to unit bases and at that point may as well have MDF bases with a printed sticker on them. there are some for Strength & Honour, Romans and Gauls, the Romans in rigid formations end up looking like a CPU Heatsink
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2024/04/13 16:18:36
Subject: Re:Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Second Story Man
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from Salute, Gauls, Carthage and Rebulic
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2024/04/13 16:27:44
Subject: Re:Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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I'll file this under something I didn't know I needed but now really want.
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Something is happening on the 24th, we sent you a poster.
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2024/04/14 02:15:55
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Perfect for commands and colors ancients
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2024/04/14 07:07:05
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Charging Wild Rider
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Based on the Celts (1st pic, front right), there seem to be 3 variants of strips of close infantry, which seems sufficient for reasonable variation in the less uniformed troops.
Quite the good looking range and decent variation from the start too; guess that's more or less all anyone'd need? Also suddenly feel an interest in somehow using them for 15mm SAGA with the Age of Hannibal supplement... (though the stands of close order infantry aren't ideal there, but the main advantage of plastic would be not having the bendy spears common in tiny metal men, so depends how easy they'd be to split/adapt...)
Also, is that another version of HBO Rome's announcer man I spot there for the Romans? Who knew he ended up the character popularly brought to life in miniature form (Footsore also has one in 28mm: https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/incola-the-denizens-of-rome/products/marcus-the-orator). Saturn bless him though, what a lad.
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2024/04/14 17:20:00
Subject: Re:Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Rookie Pilot
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Carthaginians and the Gauls come on the same sprues. An interesting design on the Romans. Possibly to squeeze an additional rank on to the base?
Carthage sprue 1:
Carthage sprue 2:
Roman sprue:
Elephant sprue:
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2024/04/14 19:12:54
Subject: Re:Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Rumors from Reddit:
Starter Set is Two-Player-Set; the seperate Starters concept from the Waterloo range was "not so popular" they said
Focus is on Cannae and Zama
Greek Cities like Syracusai and Massalia will get Miniatures in the future
Siege Weapons are plastic
Further Army options will be Metal, not Resin
Further content with a coming Campaign Expansion - similary to the 100 Days Campaign for "Epic BP" but featuring all three Punic Wars and the Carthaginian Mercenary Revolt
Campaign Books for Sicillian Wars and the Pyrrhic War are planned
Next Setting will be BP again, maybe Napoleon
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2024/04/14 19:53:37
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Been Around the Block
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2024/04/14 22:55:58
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Central Valley, California
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Thank you so much for this. Now I'm twice as stoked -- love how they did the model strips for ranking at 1:19 on. Really smart move. looks truly epic
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~ Shrap
Rolling 1's for five decades.
AoS * Konflikt '47 * Conquest Last Argument of Kings * Team Yankee * Horus Heresy * The Old World * Armoured Clash |
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2024/04/15 00:14:04
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Ork Boy Hangin' off a Trukk
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Looks interesting, although I'll probably give it a miss as I've already got multiple 15mm armies for Hail Caesar.
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2024/04/15 08:46:23
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Calculating Commissar
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Eumerin wrote:
Can you even tell what you're looking at when the figures are 2mm?
You can tell if it's an elephant, a chariot or infantry.
I loved the idea though, an entire army can fit in a large matchbox and you can play anywhere.
Personally I think 6mm is the lowest sane scale and it's great for huge stuff, with 15mm being the trade off between detail and scale. Most games look better playing with 15mm figures at 28mm ranges.
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2024/04/15 12:38:19
Subject: Re:Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Personally, I think 2mm is great for ancients. You really feel like you're commanding huge masses of soldiers. Plus, units are pretty easy to paint up.
I took part in a Pharsalus game last year, using 2mm minis and Strength & Honour for rules:
Though I will probably pick this starter set up, especially if you can use a base for a unit. A good way to introduce new players to historicals.
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2024/04/16 17:20:55
Subject: Epic Scale Hail Caesar Announced by Warlord Games
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Battlefield Tourist
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What scale are these guys? 18mm? It didn't really say in the vid.
I prefer 6mm for my ancients, but I also like 60mm x 60mm basing because I am CRAZY!
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2024/04/16 18:41:00
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Second Story Man
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the WG Epic line is somewhere between 13 and 15mm
the first models were closer to 13mm and fit with the larger 12mm models
while the last were closer to 15mm
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