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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/03 11:27:35
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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simply put:A new emerging lesser faction ruled by human lords who were transformed into xenos by use the Halo devices
It comes from some of the ideas I've been having:
*Halo Devices and what it does are actually the Warhammer 40K version of vampires, or at least very similar. "Degenerate, evil or tragic human nobles who use forbidden means to transform themselves into immortal evil monsters"
*Halo Stars is actually once the territory of the ancient Necrontyr civilization. Halo Devices were most likely created by them.in fact,there even a flesh-eater court equivalent Necron dynasty locate in the Ghoul Stars.
*As happens in the Warhammer Fantasy world, while the vampires and the Tomb Kings of Nehekhara have a close tie, they are not allies or even friendly forces to each other. As their counterparts in the WH40K universe, these human nobles who have been mutated into immortal monsters through Halo Devices are closely related to the Necron, but their relationship is not friendly.
*Vampire Counts are a very recent force in the Warhammer Fantasy’s historyline, and so their equivalents in WH40K universe should be similar.
*Since the entire galaxy was split in two, a large number of worlds have escaped from the control of Imperium, but they are not necessarily controlled by Chaos.If this emerging force officially surfaces after this, it will most likely become a non-chaos controlled region like Sylvania of WHB, and will fight against various forces very reasonably.
for its army,t would be more appropriate to proxy them as the Imperial Militia of the 30K era.
force commander who with warlord trait of "connoisseur alien curios" (which give them "fear" and "it will no die" special rules)and provenance of "tainted flesh" and "cyber-augmetics"————becuase those hunman-turned Xenolords tried to use crude human technology to remake their own lost technology and thus strengthen their human soldiers————of course, all they could make were poor imitations.due to their technology tie to the ancient Necrontyr,those human soldiers and Ogryns who have been implanted with crude replicas of the Halo device take on strange mechanical features, with mechanical structures that look like cyber augment implants growing directly from their bodies.
and that force commander is just a minor character among their kind, who has just bonded the Halo device and still looks completely human. and their HQ units can be a group of even more inhuman guys, a group of S5T5I4 monsters with special rules of "fear" and "it will no die",and largely equiped with human wargears such as power armor,plasma pistol and power fist/lightning claw.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/03 12:09:42
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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a few different versions of vampires already exist in the setting... vampires [warp entity], vampyres [abhuman], the Khrave, etc. i think the Khrave would be interesting to expand based on what exists but i don't know if they would really fit that mold
some sort of non-Chaos gods warp entities faction could be fun, tho. you get warp vampires, warp ghosts, and you could easily convolute some excuse for zombies and skeletons to exist
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/03 12:48:39
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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What would a Vampire Counts equivalent look like? "Degenerate, evil or tragic human nobles who use forbidden means to transform themselves into immortal evil monsters"? Dark Eldar. Minus the "human" part, which isn't that integral, you're describing the Dark Eldar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/03 12:53:42
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Fixture of Dakka
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StudentOfEtherium wrote:a few different versions of vampires already exist in the setting... vampires [warp entity], vampyres [abhuman], the Khrave, etc. i think the Khrave would be interesting to expand based on what exists but i don't know if they would really fit that mold
some sort of non-Chaos gods warp entities faction could be fun, tho. you get warp vampires, warp ghosts, and you could easily convolute some excuse for zombies and skeletons to exist
I'd also include drukhari into the list of vampyre analogues. They do the whole thing of looking increasingly withered until they feed on pain, at which point they regain a healthier appearance and, if well-fed, can even super-charge their physical abilities.
Also, BA have some vampire motifs, though they don't generally lean into them very hard outside of the Blood Drinker chapter.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Smudge.
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ATTENTION. Psychic tests are unfluffy. Your longing for AV is understandable but misguided. Your chapter doesn't need a separate codex. Doctrines should go away. Being a "troop" means nothing. This has been a cranky service announcement. You may now resume your regularly scheduled arguing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/03 13:11:54
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Sgt_Smudge wrote:What would a Vampire Counts equivalent look like? "Degenerate, evil or tragic human nobles who use forbidden means to transform themselves into immortal evil monsters"?
Dark Eldar. Minus the "human" part, which isn't that integral, you're describing the Dark Eldar.
Or, depending on your perspective, space marines
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/03 13:44:48
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Or chaos marines.
Vampire Counts on the table always struck me a a few powerful heroes, maybe a few monsters/elites, and a lot of chaff hordes. That kind of playstyle seems to be decently represented, with a few armies being able to build like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/04 03:29:21
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Wyldhunt wrote: StudentOfEtherium wrote:a few different versions of vampires already exist in the setting... vampires [warp entity], vampyres [abhuman], the Khrave, etc. i think the Khrave would be interesting to expand based on what exists but i don't know if they would really fit that mold
some sort of non-Chaos gods warp entities faction could be fun, tho. you get warp vampires, warp ghosts, and you could easily convolute some excuse for zombies and skeletons to exist
I'd also include drukhari into the list of vampyre analogues. They do the whole thing of looking increasingly withered until they feed on pain, at which point they regain a healthier appearance and, if well-fed, can even super-charge their physical abilities.
Also, BA have some vampire motifs, though they don't generally lean into them very hard outside of the Blood Drinker chapter.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Smudge.
i didn't include Drukhari because they already have a WHFB analogue in dark elves. they're also soul vampires, but if we're imagining The Vampire Faction, it would probably be something else
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/04 04:29:25
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Blood Angels are the 40k Vampires faction, though it's not as in-your-face as it is with Space Wolves and their werewolf tropes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/04 06:12:40
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Sgt. Cortez wrote:Blood Angels are the 40k Vampires faction, though it's not as in-your-face as it is with Space Wolves and their werewolf tropes.
It's... pretty darn close though. What with the sleeping in coffins, Mephiston's collar, and the word "blood" (or a synonym thereof) sprinkled on every other piece of wargear. Got to love those sanguinary guard with their glaives encarmine hanging out with the blood talon dread. Automatically Appended Next Post: StudentOfEtherium wrote: Wyldhunt wrote: StudentOfEtherium wrote:a few different versions of vampires already exist in the setting... vampires [warp entity], vampyres [abhuman], the Khrave, etc. i think the Khrave would be interesting to expand based on what exists but i don't know if they would really fit that mold
some sort of non-Chaos gods warp entities faction could be fun, tho. you get warp vampires, warp ghosts, and you could easily convolute some excuse for zombies and skeletons to exist
I'd also include drukhari into the list of vampyre analogues. They do the whole thing of looking increasingly withered until they feed on pain, at which point they regain a healthier appearance and, if well-fed, can even super-charge their physical abilities.
Also, BA have some vampire motifs, though they don't generally lean into them very hard outside of the Blood Drinker chapter.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Smudge.
I didn't include Drukhari because they already have a WHFB analogue in dark elves. they're also soul vampires, but if we're imagining The Vampire Faction, it would probably be something else
Just depends on what notes you're trying to hit I suppose. Drukhari are leaning into a lot of vampire tropes pretty hard what with the whole decadent nobility feeding off the lower class (slaves in this case) to maintain their youth and vigor and stave off the reaper.
Blood Angels and their successors play with some vampire motifs. Night Lords have a smidge of vampire aesthetic with their bat motifs. There are the aforementioned "vampires" in the form of xenos or abhumans. There are those BA mutants that basically turned into man-bats... Vampires in media come in a lot of shapes and sizes, and 40k has toyed with a lot variations on the theme here and there. If people want to homebrew up an additional vampire-themed faction into the universe, more power to them. But there are canonically already several "vampires" in 40k including a couple that have codices.
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ATTENTION. Psychic tests are unfluffy. Your longing for AV is understandable but misguided. Your chapter doesn't need a separate codex. Doctrines should go away. Being a "troop" means nothing. This has been a cranky service announcement. You may now resume your regularly scheduled arguing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/04 16:41:51
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Always saw C'tan as the vampire option for the 40k undead faction (Necrons). Obviously there's plenty of other good options as described above though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/04 17:23:43
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Terrifying Doombull
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Or... blood angels. Mephiston was just the exact same profile (and function, as a melee/caster) as a WFB vampire lord for years for a reason.
Devastation of Baal had Dante drinking down his chief servant (at his servant's insistence) and getting physically rejuvenated. It was never subtle, but they took the time to hammer the point home.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/04 18:20:03
Subject: Re: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Posts with Authority
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Vampires already exist in the Rogue Trader bestiary.
The ancient legends of Old Earth were for long ages discredited as
invention, folk-lore and myth. The reality, however, was to prove far
more disturbing. Vampires are polymorphic entities able to change
their metabolism in order to resemble the creatures amongst whom
they live. Their natural shape (if such it can be called) is bat-like,
although approximately human sized. Vampires exist within the
societies of most established intelligent races, and often assume
positions of authority. They naturally crave for power amongst the
intelligent races, regarding even fellow Vampires as threatening rivals.
They have no home world. Where they evolved and why they have
come to occupy a parasitic position within alien societies is unknown.
Vampires live amongst their chosen race after the manner of that
race, and cannot easily be singled out. They have psychic powers of
a level comparable to humans. Vampires maintain their lives by
absorbing the life-force of other creatures, achieved by prolonged
physical contact (a simple combat blow will not suffice).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/04 23:34:28
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Dakka Veteran
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Dai wrote:Always saw C'tan as the vampire option for the 40k undead faction (Necrons). Obviously there's plenty of other good options as described above though.
One of the descriptions for C’tan from previous editions is ‘star vampires’.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/05 06:46:36
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Dark Eldars already read like vampires to me. Instead of drinking your blood their torture you and drink your pain. They also have an eternal hunger that increases with centuries.
The GSC Patriarch is like a giant dracula that sits in his old mansion (sewer, abandoned factory, cave etc) and slowly starts controlling the people. And later on the population. By way of hypnosis and blood transfusion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/05 07:40:03
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Niiai wrote:Dark Eldars already read like vampires to me. Instead of drinking your blood their torture you and drink your pain. They also have an eternal hunger that increases with centuries.
The GSC Patriarch is like a giant dracula that sits in his old mansion (sewer, abandoned factory, cave etc) and slowly starts controlling the people. And later on the population. By way of hypnosis and blood transfusion.
Oh right. Good call on the GSC. They definitely give like, 80s/90s vampire movie/comic book vampire vibes. They also read kind of like Deep Ones or certain flavors of werewolf, so that's fun. GSC really are a flexible faction with lots of unexplored ground for storytelling.
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ATTENTION. Psychic tests are unfluffy. Your longing for AV is understandable but misguided. Your chapter doesn't need a separate codex. Doctrines should go away. Being a "troop" means nothing. This has been a cranky service announcement. You may now resume your regularly scheduled arguing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/05 08:27:53
Subject: Re: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Calculating Commissar
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Someone already mentioned the Khrave, but here is a picture:
These aliens survived the Great Crusade and were a serious threat to expeditionary fleets, even ones with significant Astartes contingents. They are tough customers.
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ChargerIIC wrote:If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/06 12:50:01
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
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Convert, convert, convert. Find rules you like (Blood Angels, Imperial Guard, GSC, Khorne Cultists, nurgle etc...)
Just be careful who you play and how you convert. GW doesn't like using third party bitz so you may not be allowed to play at official GW stores and events. However, there are a ton of fantasy bitz so you likely wont have problems.
As for people part, I converted a sisters of battle army to be half male (I think its cool to have regular humans in power armor, and I like to put myself in my armies) using Necromunda bitz. Ppl at my local GW got rly offended. They made such a commotion the store wouldn't let me play my converted army because it was offensive (even though I was using all GW bitz...).
Most of the community is fine with it, like I said, pick a rules set and convert. They are your plastic miniatures that you own. Do whatever your little heart desires. Post pics though, a vampire army could be super cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/06 16:17:37
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Your words are to kind Wyldhunt. 🥰
I had not heard about Halo devices before and I looked them up after reading. fething cool. 😎
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/07 22:47:29
Subject: Re: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Literally just a blood angels successor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/08 02:50:26
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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what the "Vampire counts-equivalent" would be?
a group of once-human xeno monster with barely recognizable humanoid shape.
those xeno guys are obviously no human————but they wore clothes similar to those of human nobles and carried weapons made with human technology. Only a few particularly wealthy or powerful guys had more novel equipment.
They rule their human subjects with a cruel iron fist. their human subjects have no love or loyalty to their once-human xeno masters, but they have no choice.
so the Dark Eldar,Blood angels and other similar force,none of them fit such theme.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/07/08 03:14:21
Subject: What would a Vampire Counts-equivalent in the WH40K universe be like?(base on Halo devices)
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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WWW-STL wrote:what the "Vampire counts-equivalent" would be?
a group of once-human xeno monster with barely recognizable humanoid shape.
those xeno guys are obviously no human————but they wore clothes similar to those of human nobles and carried weapons made with human technology. Only a few particularly wealthy or powerful guys had more novel equipment.
They rule their human subjects with a cruel iron fist. their human subjects have no love or loyalty to their once-human xeno masters, but they have no choice.
so the Dark Eldar,Blood angels and other similar force,none of them fit such theme.
yeah, that's my issue with those suggestions. they have the aesthetics of vampires in general, but not Vampire Counts The Warhammer Fantasy Army
maybe some sort of warp-crazed psyker not tied to any specific god, turned to drinking blood, enslaving humans, and reanimating the dead (and while I have the warp and vampires on the mind, Khornate vampires would work really well, I think)
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