How do you even assemble the "current" ruleset to learn?

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**RustyNumber**

So I've got the 10th BRB from the launch box, and our small town IT store that has some gaming space attached is having a 1k "tournament" in a few weeks. I'd like to support the scene and attend, even though I *really* don't like the current formatting of 40k rules. All the KEYWORD legalese stuff written as if it were for the supreme court or something. I understand they do it so everything is nice and clear... but ANYWAY...

How the hell does someone like me with a launch BRB go about finding out what the latest rule changes are, how they layer onto the BRB and ditto for army books! I suppose wahapedia would be up to date and have all the unit cards relevant and up to date. It's just imposing to even try to get back into the game at this point. Are people wholesale printing out game change notes and sticking them into their rulebooks or just playing and committing to memory?

**Gert**

All the rules updates and changes can be found here:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-40000/

Pretty sure the core rules are largely if not entirely the same and it's either army rules or more often just points that have changed.

**johnpjones1775**

I’m not sure what you mean by keyword legalese, the keyword stuff is pretty straight forward. Can you clarify that?

The part that sucks about the modern rules is how hard it is to know the actual current rules with all of the updates they do.

Warhammer community. That’s how, also the free app, buy the codex enter the code on their website and rules update on the app within 48 hours of a rules change typically.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/downloads/warhammer-40000/

**Sgt. Cortez**

Print the designer's commentary and put it in your BRB. Print the Codex FAQ and put it in your codex.
Play by the rules you know and if you and your opponent are unsure about something take a look at these documents.
Or do everything with an app, but, depending on your device and ability to use it, that's not necessarily faster.

**SawyerParker**

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Print the designer's commentary and put it in your BRB. Print the Codex FAQ and put it in your codex.
Play by the rules you know and if you and your opponent are unsure about something take a look at these documents.
Or do everything with an app, but, depending on your device and ability to use it, that's not necessarily faster.
I totally get the frustration with the heavy legalese in the 40k rules. It can be overwhelming trying to catch up, especially with all the updates. Wahapedia is definitely a great resource for keeping current, and some players do print out the latest errata or game change notes to keep in their books. If you’re attending the tournament, asking other players for updates or checking the official Warhammer Community page can also help keep you in the loop! A close friend of mine needed help with an essay while preparing for an important exam. She turned to this https://academized.com/pay-for-essay platform to pay for an essay written by an expert. The writer delivered a high-quality essay that met all academic requirements and was submitted before the deadline. Her professor appreciated her work, and she felt less stressed during exam preparations. This service offers reliable support for students in need of academic assistance.

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**tauist**

AFAIK, the main additions currently are:

Munitorum field manual 1.6
Balance Dataslate December 2024
Core Rules Updates 1.5 (with Rules Commentary 1.5) - a whopping 35 pages!

Then there is the index cards Errata, if you happen to use the cards..

Did I miss anything?

**Slipspace**

This is one of my biggest frustrations with how GW does updates, errata and FAQs. There should be a single document with all the rules in it. Instead, you need the material listed above, which is scattered across at least 3 different files. It's a mess.

Even worse, a lot of the "Rules Commentary" is actually FAQ and errata. I wish GW had a single core rules reference like almost everyone else has, with all rules contained within. I've had situations where I'm certain a rule has been changed but I can't find it because it's not where I expect it to be.

I'd be wary of trying to do everything via an app. I've played against people doing that and, honestly, it's torture. You need to know your own rules and the core rules pretty well without needing to look stuff up before the app becomes a useful extra guide.

**RustyNumber**

Thankyou for elocuting my thoughts better than I can

GW just need to bite the bullet and release the rules for free in digital form, updated whenever needed.

**Lathe Biosas**

RustyNumber wrote:
Thankyou for elocuting my thoughts better than I can

GW just need to bite the bullet and release the rules for free in digital form, updated whenever needed.

They kinda did. I downloaded the core rules for 10th edition for free. And the same with the Imperial Knight Index.

**johnpjones1775**

RustyNumber wrote:
Thankyou for elocuting my thoughts better than I can

GW just need to bite the bullet and release the rules for free in digital form, updated whenever needed.

they did…core rules are in the free app…

**ccs**

johnpjones1775 wrote:
RustyNumber wrote:
Thankyou for elocuting my thoughts better than I can

GW just need to bite the bullet and release the rules for free in digital form, updated whenever needed.
they did…core rules are in the free app…

Core rules are free on their site, no app needed.

**PenitentJake**

What I would like to see them do is update the free core rules document every time there's a change, rather than publish separate updates for it.

The munitorum guide with points should continue to be a separate document, because in an ideal world, there would be so few rules updates that there would be times when points changed but rules did not.

Digital Indexes should also be updated rather than have additional FAQ's or errata documents, and they should have been designed so that they continued to be valid when the dexes dropped. This would mean no duplication of the Index detachment when the Dex drops.

Just my two cents.

**LunarSol**

PenitentJake wrote:
What I would like to see them do is update the free core rules document every time there's a change, rather than publish separate updates for it.

The munitorum guide with points should continue to be a separate document, because in an ideal world, there would be so few rules updates that there would be times when points changed but rules did not.

Digital Indexes should also be updated rather than have additional FAQ's or errata documents, and they should have been designed so that they continued to be valid when the dexes dropped. This would mean no duplication of the Index detachment when the Dex drops.

Just my two cents.

This is how things effectively already work for the app. The FAQs and the like exist because they are intended to supplement the physical copies of all the books (which is why they all reference page numbers).

**Skinnereal**

PenitentJake wrote:
What I would like to see them do is update the free core rules document every time there's a change, rather than publish separate updates for it.

Even listing the date or version in the doc, as they do in the corner with Indexes, would help a lot.
The Core Rules on the website are dated 17 Sept 24. It is not the original version of the download, so some updates are included.
Core Rules Updates are 11 Dec 24.
Even if they don't insert the changes (expensive reformatting bill?), changing colour of the text in the Core Rules to suggest an update has been issued would make a big difference.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-40000/

**LunarSol**

Skinnereal wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:
What I would like to see them do is update the free core rules document every time there's a change, rather than publish separate updates for it.
Even listing the date or version in the doc, as they do in the corner with Indexes, would help a lot.
The Core Rules on the website are dated 17 Sept 24. It is not the original version of the download, so some updates are included.
Core Rules Updates are 11 Dec 24.
Even if they don't insert the changes (expensive reformatting bill?), changing colour of the text in the Core Rules to suggest an update has been issued would make a big difference.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-40000/

Reformatting is the main issue. It takes very little for the text and art to stop lining up. More importantly, you'd still need the Core Rules errata because people with the physical book still need something that tells them what pages should be updated. The auto updated digital tool is the app. Personally I find it a lot more usable than the PDF as a digital resource anyway.

**tauist**

The app doesnt have Legends does it? Legends is the big reason I've always relied on the PDFs..

**Sgt. Cortez**

tauist wrote:
The app doesnt have Legends does it? Legends is the big reason I've always relied on the PDFs..

Yeah, the App misses legends and a translation, making it pretty much useless for me. That's why I'm using printed german documents. Battlescribe for list building to have all relevant datasheets in one place.

**tauist**

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
tauist wrote:
The app doesnt have Legends does it? Legends is the big reason I've always relied on the PDFs..

Yeah, the App misses legends and a translation, making it pretty much useless for me. That's why I'm using printed german documents. Battlescribe for list building to have all relevant datasheets in one place.

I had to reinstall Battlescribe and lost access to 10th edition dataset. Still salty about that

AFAIK, 10th ed dataset has been missing for at least past 9 months from BS.. unless things changed recently?

**Sgt. Cortez**

You need to add bsdata as a different source.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/18dgsvy/battlescribe_repository/

Look here and at the links to know how it works. The 10th data are updated if you use the different source.

**LunarSol**

tauist wrote:
The app doesnt have Legends does it? Legends is the big reason I've always relied on the PDFs..

As long as the core rules are a separate PDF anyway, why not use the app for them and the PDFs for the Legends datasheets?

Lack of language support is a big miss though. Kind of surprised at that one as it seems way easier than supporting it via PDFs.

**Sgt. Cortez**

LunarSol wrote:

Lack of language support is a big miss though. Kind of surprised at that one as it seems way easier than supporting it via PDFs.

Yeah, I'm always thinking I can't be the only one who'd be willed to even pay for the App if it had language support. Would be the one thing it would have over battlescribe or wahapedia.

**RustyNumber**

LunarSol wrote:

Reformatting is the main issue. It takes very little for the text and art to stop lining up.

Not if you're a competent publisher and not changing it more than a paragraph I imagine. It's not like they edited the whole thing in a single contiguously formatted Word document... right?

**LunarSol**

RustyNumber wrote:
LunarSol wrote:

Reformatting is the main issue. It takes very little for the text and art to stop lining up.

Not if you're a competent publisher and not changing it more than a paragraph I imagine. It's not like they edited the whole thing in a single contiguously formatted Word document... right?

Well, they've added multiple paragraphs in some sections, so I'm guessing that's not really an option. Also, you'd still need the actual errata since physical copies exist and people insist on using them. If you want digital rules, the app very much provides what you're looking for in a format that's the most conducive to change.

**RustyNumber**

I just grabbed the IG unit PDF and with the help of PDF Gear removed the *SIXTY* odd pages I'd never use, making it a much nicer document. I've also found it's possible to get wahapedia entries into a smaller more concise version for printing, possibly even squeezing four entries onto a single A4.

**Skinnereal**

LunarSol wrote:
RustyNumber wrote:
LunarSol wrote:

Reformatting is the main issue. It takes very little for the text and art to stop lining up.
Not if you're a competent publisher and not changing it more than a paragraph I imagine. It's not like they edited the whole thing in a single contiguously formatted Word document... right?
Well, they've added multiple paragraphs in some sections, so I'm guessing that's not really an option. Also, you'd still need the actual errata since physical copies exist and people insist on using them. If you want digital rules, the app very much provides what you're looking for in a format that's the most conducive to change.

Look at the 'pivot' rules. That is extra pages of txt.
And I doubt GW edits the digital stuff in-house. If it costs them to make changes, those changes are stored up for a big update in one go. Or not at all.

**tauist**

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
You need to add bsdata as a different source.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/18dgsvy/battlescribe_repository/

Look here and at the links to know how it works. The 10th data are updated if you use the different source.

A gent and a scholar! Much obliged sir.

oof, no luck on iOS. The search continues..

In the end, success! Thank the Omnissiah for GitHub

You need to enter in the URL to the latest .bsi manually, then it works, although it claims to be obsolete and recommends going to newrecruit.eu (which I am not interested in - offline use FTW)

**Karol**

IMO the fastest and cheapest way is to get a good coach. The on your own struggle just takes too much time, can end one up in a situation where you invested a lot of money/time, even in to recasts, and still don't have a functioning army, that you know how to use.

And what is more important a good coach will, or at least should, tell you that maybe starting with Ad Mecha isn't the best idea, based on art you have seen.

In a can't get/can't afford a coach situation, the second best option is friends, if you have any, or friendly local gamers, again if you have any localy. Both of those option are very outside factor dependant. Some place for this will be better (France) and some will be worse. The quality of help is also something you won't be able to judge on your own, if you are totaly new or returning to the game. And again you can get really good results in some places (France or Spain are great example of that), and in other places you more or less roll the dice on quality (anything US or UK).

**ccs**

Karol wrote:
IMO the fastest and cheapest way is to get a good coach. The on your own struggle just takes too much time, can end one up in a situation where you invested a lot of money/time, even in to recasts, and still don't have a functioning army, that you know how to use.

And what is more important a good coach will, or at least should, tell you that maybe starting with Ad Mecha isn't the best idea, based on art you have seen.

In a can't get/can't afford a coach situation, the second best option is friends, if you have any, or friendly local gamers, again if you have any localy. Both of those option are very outside factor dependant. Some place for this will be better (France) and some will be worse. The quality of help is also something you won't be able to judge on your own, if you are totaly new or returning to the game. And again you can get really good results in some places (France or Spain are great example of that), and in other places you more or less roll the dice on quality (anything US or UK).

I highly doubt you're qualified to speak about how people learn to play 40k in the UK/USA.

**RustyNumber**

Well my friend and I got an hour and a half in the other day and we finally got through turn 2 of our learner game! I really like that Necron scarabs have a self-destruct damage ability, fun and fluffy and I destroyed his rhino with them. Then his primaris basic-bolter marines have a special rule where they fire two extra shots.... because no reason in particular they needed to make them more attractive than plasma gunners I guess. The duality of this edition right there.

Getting to resurrect necrons in your turn remains as joyfully devious as ever, much better than one page rules where they essentially just get another layer of ward save.