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I'm talking out-of-universe here. So i'm not talking about those conspiracy theories that the person sitting on the golden throne is actually horus for example. Nope. Not talking about that. I'm talking about things you've heard outside of the franchise regarding the franchise.

For example, ill post a few examples i've heard IRL

1. Dawn of War 1+2 is a turn-based strategy game

2. Warhammer 40k is a Gacha game

3. Civilians aren't welcome in the 40k community

Warhammer (WHFB) was cheap back in ___.

ccs wrote:
Warhammer (WHFB) was cheap back in ___.

I initially read this as cheapER and thought "But it was..."
And then I reread and saw what was actually wrote. Fair point, well made.

My favorite take in this vein is "This piece of lore (that just happens to be my favorite) is absolutely inviolate! Everything else is subject to change."

Previous Edition X was the best, everyone loved it, had no problems, and everything since then has been horrible.

"Custodes aren't conceptually similar to marines despite both being transhuman super soldiers wearing power armor who are made from the genetic material of the emperor (or his kids)."

Or the one guy who said he was tired of his opponent constantly beating him with howling banshees... 8th edition howling banshees.

I've heard people talking about it being one of the most original sci fi settings that exists, which is pretty funny.

"Space Marines are the good guys" is probably the most common one...

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
"Space Marines are the good guys" is probably the most common one...

To be fair, that's as much on GW as on anyone else.

 waefre_1 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
"Space Marines are the good guys" is probably the most common one...

To be fair, that's as much on GW as on anyone else.

I think the case can be made that the Ultramarines are "good guys," when you compare them to the rest of the setting.

 Quixote wrote:

 waefre_1 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
"Space Marines are the good guys" is probably the most common one...

To be fair, that's as much on GW as on anyone else.

I think the case can be made that the Ultramarines are "good guys," when you compare them to the rest of the setting.

So still bad guys then?

(UM aren't even the "nicest" marines. Lamenters probably take the win with Salamanders behind them.)

 Wyldhunt wrote:

 Quixote wrote:

 waefre_1 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
"Space Marines are the good guys" is probably the most common one...

To be fair, that's as much on GW as on anyone else.

I think the case can be made that the Ultramarines are "good guys," when you compare them to the rest of the setting.

So still bad guys then?

(UM aren't even the "nicest" marines. Lamenters probably take the win with Salamanders behind them.)

They built their "Little Roman Empire," and it doesn't seem as horrible as the other "less stable" parts of the Imperium.

In to make my "less-bad" argument a different way...

Would you like your death to be caused by insanely rabid Inquisitorial Agents piling heavy stones on you unil you confess to crimes youve never heard of... or Futurama-esque "death by snu-snu?" The end result of crushed pelvises is the same, just degrees of less-than-horribleness.

Also, I'm not familiar with the Lamenters, outside of their "Really crappy luck" bio in an old White Dwarf.

There are hoards of women who really want to play; but only if GW very specifically make canon female Marines, since they all identify as psycho-indoctrinated bio-enhanced fascist ubermensch.

There are no women who play Orks, Astra Militarum, or Leagues of Votann.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
There are hoards of women who really want to play; but only if GW very specifically make canon female Marines, since they all identify as psycho-indoctrinated bio-enhanced fascist ubermensch.

I’ve never heard that take.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
There are hoards of women who really want to play; but only if GW very specifically make canon female Marines, since they all identify as psycho-indoctrinated bio-enhanced fascist ubermensch.

I’ve never heard that take.

Because it's a strawman of the long discussions on why female marines should or should not be added to 40k. Obviously all men identify as psycho-indoctrinated bio-enhanced fascist ubermensch because they play marines...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
There are hoards of women who really want to play; but only if GW very specifically make canon female Marines, since they all identify as psycho-indoctrinated bio-enhanced fascist ubermensch.

 Quixote wrote:
Previous Edition X was the best, everyone loved it, had no problems, and everything since then has been horrible.

I feel like both of these are hyperbolic takes on much more complex discussions, rather than things anyone has actually said.

I'm fairly sure you can finden dozens of examples of the later one on this forum.

The first one is just ragebait.

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm fairly sure you can finden dozens of examples of the later one on this forum..

People certainly express a preference for certain editions, but I'm fairly sure I've never seen anyone claim that any edition of a GW game was either universally liked or completely perfect.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
There are hoards of women who really want to play; but only if GW very specifically make canon female Marines, since they all identify as psycho-indoctrinated bio-enhanced fascist ubermensch.

I’ve never heard that take.

I'm pretty sure the first part has shown up here on dakka in some form or another. I've certainly unironically heard it elsewhere.

Note: I am in no way saying that encompasses the entire position of the pro-FSM side. Just that it's a take I've herad/read.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
There are hoards of women who really want to play; but only if GW very specifically make canon female Marines, since they all identify as psycho-indoctrinated bio-enhanced fascist ubermensch.

I’ve never heard that take.

I'm pretty sure the first part has shown up here on dakka in some form or another. I've certainly unironically heard it elsewhere.

Note: I am in no way saying that encompasses the entire position of the pro-FSM side. Just that it's a take I've herad/read.

I've never seen that exact take. What I have seen is a more nuanced argument that there's a non-zero number of women who might have been tempted to play 40k but opted not partly (but probably not entirely) because the sausage fest that is space marines made them unsure they'd be welcome.

You're a woman. You can spend your fun bucks on a video game that you know you'll like or on a starter box for this whacky 40k thing you keep hearing about. You're 90% sure that people aren't going to be weird towards you at the game store, but do you want to gamble your fun bucks with that 10% chance of a bad time lingering in the back of your mind? After all, you remember the nightmarish sexism that came with gamer gate.

The main faction that gets a huge amount of the attention and representation in the game being a sausage fest is where X amount of that 10% comes from.

It's like considering getting into D&D back in the day but realizing that half the women depicted are wearing bikinis. It's entirely possible you'd find a welcoming D&D party full of people who aren't going to be weird towards you, but the bikinis tell you that this product probably wasn't made for you/with you in mind.

 insaniak wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm fairly sure you can finden dozens of examples of the later one on this forum..

People certainly express a preference for certain editions, but I'm fairly sure I've never seen anyone claim that any edition of a GW game was either universally liked or completely perfect.

"I believe Adeptus Titanicus is pretty much damn near perfect. I sold off 20 years of BattleTech stuff, because I will never play it again - I love AT so much." - Lathe Biosas

There we go. Problem solved.

Archeon and Sigmar are the lost Primarchs, sent through a warp storm to some planet (That officially sat in the 40k universe) where they established themselves as rulers, just like their brothers, and ended up in essentially their own eternal war.

 Quixote wrote:
Archeon and Sigmar are the lost Primarchs, sent through a warp storm to some planet (That officially sat in the 40k universe) where they established themselves as rulers, just like their brothers, and ended up in essentially their own eternal war.

That one's not particularly out there. Back in the day, the studio did drop a statement that the Warhammer world was a part of the 40k universe (it was part of the justification for early 40k just taking WHFB stuff, scifiying it up a little and calling the job a good'un), and there were numerous hints over the years that Sigmar might be a Primarch.

They've moved the background in a different direction now, but it was a really, really commonly held idea.

 insaniak wrote:

 Quixote wrote:
Archeon and Sigmar are the lost Primarchs, sent through a warp storm to some planet (That officially sat in the 40k universe) where they established themselves as rulers, just like their brothers, and ended up in essentially their own eternal war.

That one's not particularly out there. Back in the day, the studio did drop a statement that the Warhammer world was a part of the 40k universe (it was part of the justification for early 40k just taking WHFB stuff, scifiying it up a little and calling the job a good'un), and there were numerous hints over the years that Sigmar might be a Primarch.

They've moved the background in a different direction now, but it was a really, really commonly held idea.

Oh. I never played WHFB, so I guess I wasn't too familiar with Sigmar.

Thanks for the heads up.

I think I mention it before, but I did listen to one 40K conversation waiting for food once. Where one guy decided it was too much and wanted it over, turns out you can get some funny looks when talking about orks “I’m going to paint my Nob tonight at your place.” Or similar Gets some confused looks.

 insaniak wrote:

 Quixote wrote:
Archeon and Sigmar are the lost Primarchs, sent through a warp storm to some planet (That officially sat in the 40k universe) where they established themselves as rulers, just like their brothers, and ended up in essentially their own eternal war.

That one's not particularly out there. Back in the day, the studio did drop a statement that the Warhammer world was a part of the 40k universe (it was part of the justification for early 40k just taking WHFB stuff, scifiying it up a little and calling the job a good'un), and there were numerous hints over the years that Sigmar might be a Primarch.

They've moved the background in a different direction now, but it was a really, really commonly held idea.

I still remember the Albion campaign GW rolled out for WHFB (6th ed? 7th?) and it introduced a number of campaign wargear items that were just 40k equipment. Stuff that was clearly a powerfist, flamer, lasgun etc.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Quixote wrote:
Archeon and Sigmar are the lost Primarchs, sent through a warp storm to some planet (That officially sat in the 40k universe) where they established themselves as rulers, just like their brothers, and ended up in essentially their own eternal war.

That one's not particularly out there. Back in the day, the studio did drop a statement that the Warhammer world was a part of the 40k universe (it was part of the justification for early 40k just taking WHFB stuff, scifiying it up a little and calling the job a good'un), and there were numerous hints over the years that Sigmar might be a Primarch.

They've moved the background in a different direction now, but it was a really, really commonly held idea.

I still remember the Albion campaign GW rolled out for WHFB (6th ed? 7th?) and it introduced a number of campaign wargear items that were just 40k equipment. Stuff that was clearly a powerfist, flamer, lasgun etc.

Wasn't there a point before 6e where Chaos had a literal bolter in their armory as well?

Some of the Chaos Gifts in the original Realms of Chaos books were 40k wargear.

I'm still intrigued how a Chaos Champion deploying a Photon Flash Flare/Blind Grenade (which I think was an option - books are in a box) would've played out

 insaniak wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm fairly sure you can finden dozens of examples of the later one on this forum..

People certainly express a preference for certain editions, but I'm fairly sure I've never seen anyone claim that any edition of a GW game was either universally liked or completely perfect.

People might not claim that there edition is perfect, but they absolutely claim that their edition is better at everything than every other edition, and that the problems people had with that edition were actually those people not playing it right/talking with their opponent/applying some easy house rules.

 Dysartes wrote:
Some of the Chaos Gifts in the original Realms of Chaos books were 40k wargear.

I'm still intrigued how a Chaos Champion deploying a Photon Flash Flare/Blind Grenade (which I think was an option - books are in a box) would've played out

I legit rolled a Khorne juggerlord with a missile launcher. Never got to the point where I could even field him though, my mates all gave up on Warhammer about the time I started building my Chaos army.