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 insaniak wrote:

 Quixote wrote:
Archeon and Sigmar are the lost Primarchs, sent through a warp storm to some planet (That officially sat in the 40k universe) where they established themselves as rulers, just like their brothers, and ended up in essentially their own eternal war.

That one's not particularly out there. Back in the day, the studio did drop a statement that the Warhammer world was a part of the 40k universe (it was part of the justification for early 40k just taking WHFB stuff, scifiying it up a little and calling the job a good'un), and there were numerous hints over the years that Sigmar might be a Primarch.

They've moved the background in a different direction now, but it was a really, really commonly held idea.

The Albion worldwide campaign in the early 00's saw various factions awarded 40k gear as 'magic items'. Dwarves got a suit of power armor, and the Dark Elves got a power fist.

 Quixote wrote:
I had no idea that WHFB had all this to it. I thought all the wackiness was confined to the Skaven and the Mordheim game.

I'm guessing Age of Sigmar doesn't have anything like this.

You'd be wrong. Oh, so very wrong...

The Skaven are certainly the epitome of wackiness, but Warhammer in general is full of it.

During the End Times, after the Skaven shot down a moon, the Slaan all decided, "Welp, this place is borked, time to go," and climbed into their stone starships and left the planet.

Then Slaanesh showed up and ate a bunch of elves, including Morathi. While Slaanesh was in a food coma, Tzeentch arranged for them to be captured by the New Gods, who started coaxing elven souls out of their gullet - except for Morathi, who had to crawl out on her own and was now effectively a Daemon Prince.

After the World-That-Was got eaten by a Chaos rift, all that was left was a tiny chunk floating in the void, with Sigmar (in the body Karl Franz) clutching onto it. Then the World Dragon flew by, stuff happened, and the Mortal Realms popped into being. Then the New Gods (who were just the most powerful heroes from the World-That-Was, including the previously-exploded Teclis) rebuilt civilzation.

Then the Chaos gods saw it and wandered back over, and got Archaon to burn it all down again. Then Sigmar went full-Emperor and crafted his Space Marines Stormcast Eternals and launched his own Great Crusade.

Edit: Have I made it obvious that I generally hate the Age of Sigmar as a setting?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:


Edit: Have I made it obvious that I generally hate the Age of Sigmar as a setting?

So no secret rendezvous with Age of Sigmar under the pale moonlight?

No passing love notes in class?

Or is your hatred a cover for an illicit love affair with Age of Sigmar, that you must keep secret as you are afraid of the scorn of others? Did you see her in the shop yesterday? She was totally into that Stormhost. Can you believe it?

No.

Age of Sigmar was born from the ashes of my beloved Old World, and I'm generally disinclined to forgive it. The Old World felt like a proper setting; more than a decade on and the Mortal Realms don't feel like a proper setting with locations that matter. The fall of Ulthuan during the End Times had an impact - with possible exception of Hammerhal, the Mortal Realms lack any kind of familiar space. Heck, they could nuke an entire Realm and it wouldn't have even a fraction of the impact the Fall of Cadia did.

Also, I'm still not a fan of that Change-damned double turn.

...I think I've derailed this thread enough.

Wayniac wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Worst is that everything in the setting is satire. Which is 100% horse gak used by progressive imbeciles to insult real fans who genuinely like the setting and the Imperium. Way to common to see this crap spewed on social media.

Yeah, the whole idea that you shouldn't take the setting's internal consistency seriously because it's "satirical" and fictional never sat right with me. Sure, GW changes it on a dime, but that doesn't mean you have to like or support such a practice. That just means they are bad writers and don't really care about the setting's integrity.
Imagine if Tolkien, in an attempt to break into the American market, wrote a sequel to LoTR that had burgers and replaced Legolas's bow with a M1 Garand which the Elves always had but didn't use for...reasons. That is how GW do.

My biggest issue is that it gets trotted out by political activists who pretend to be Warhammer fans so they can argue that people disagreeing with their political views and not wanting them to shove left-wing politics into every franchise (e.g., female Space Marines) are somehow not real fans or "the game's making fun of you, chud". It's so tiresome.

You are objectively wrong, since GW themselves said it:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1Xpzeld6/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/

I'd go into more detail but it would become political...

Too late.

...and none of us want that lol.

Given the reaction to the reveal of female Custodes, I'm pretty sure there's very much a group of people who want that. Mostly the rage-fueled click-baiters.