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Made in gb
Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

Hey,

So I've recently returned to 40k. Myself and 2 mates are making our way through the rules but have come stuck when it comes to something as theoretically simple as visibility and terrain.

The following info is taken from the 40k app.
Spoiler:

RUINS

Visibility

Models cannot see over or through this terrain feature (i.e. a unit outside this terrain feature cannot draw line of sight to a target on the other side of it, even if it would be possible to draw line of sight to that target through open windows, doors, etc). AIRCRAFT models are exceptions to this - visibility to and from such models is determined normally, even if this terrain feature is wholly in between them and the observing model. Models can see into this terrain feature normally, and models that are wholly within this terrain feature can see out of it normally. Models that are within this terrain feature can be seen normally and TOWERING models that are within this terrain feature can also see out of it normally.



There's conflicting info here as it says

1) models can't see over or through the terrain
2) models can see in to the terrain normally

We can't figure out why the contradictions there.

But then there's this

Spoiler:


(Image 15 from the 'Ruins & visibility' section)

The VEHICLE cannot see this INFANTRY unit because the VEHICLE is not TOWERING and it is not wholly within the ruins, but as models can see into ruins normally, this INFANTRY unit can see the VEHICLE.



So this says models can see into the ruins, which again partly contradicts the first spoiler. But then we don't get why 1 unit can see another, but cannot be seen in reverse (if that makes sense).

I've fired an email off to the FAQ people but obvs won't get a response. Hoping someone here can help me to make sense of it.

Cheers!

   
Made in ru
Hardened Veteran Guardsman






This explained in commentary pdf. You can check file on Warhammer community. There is picturec and explanation.

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Made in us
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Southern New Hampshire

There's also no contradiction. You can see into ruins, just not through them.

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Made in ca
Fully-charged Electropriest






Ruins have a footprint that represents were the terrain feature begins and ends.

If two models are not within the footprint and on opposite sides of the ruins they can not see each other as the terrain blocks line of sight.

If a model is entirely inside the footprint of a ruin that model can see outside of the ruin with normal line of sight.

Models that are outside of a ruin can see normally into the footprint.

If a model is only partially within the footprint of a ruin it can not see through the ruin to anything on the other side, however if the model has towering they can see as normal.
   
 
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