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When I think about the end of the Interex, I hold out a hope that both they and the Kinebrach may return one day during a period of great instability where they would have the opportunity advance resurrgence against the imperium so I can build an army.

If not this then perhaps a long lost settlement of Kinebrach or Kinebrach mutants or Abhuman Kinebrach hybirds living largely out of the radar somewhere else, who managed to escape with some elite Interex during the time of the destruction of the Interex empire.

Does anyone have any sources to share on them? I've pretty much absorbed everything on youtube, but would really love to see more art and learn of any far flung fan fict or primary sources I can get my hands on.

As per False Gods, the Interex as a whole was destroyed by the Imperium after the incident with the Luna Wolves.

Some could’ve survived. I mean, we don’t know their homeworld, nor whether the Interrex as a culture existed before the age of strife.

Both could allow for as yet undiscovered off-world colonies persisting.

It’s even possible some survived Imperial exterminaton. But one then has to consider what the cultural impact of such would be on what would be a comparative handful of survivors. Your government, people and supply lines are gone. You may have lost your technological base as well, reduced to space refugees aboard ships you may have no or limited ability to maintain and repair.

We know, Imperium not withstanding, that the Galaxy is not a nice place, near devoid of charity. But even if some portion of a diaspora found safe harbour? Over 10,000 years there’s no guarantee they’ve regained much.

It's a big "IF" on refugees, considering this isn't the 40k Imperium with its political issues derailing campaigns.

This is the Imperium at the height of its power, just after Ullanor, in a war started by the greatest of its Legions and its Warmaster.

The Interex were also not a warlike civilisation and only held around 30 worlds/systems. All things considered, it would have been a miracle if they had survived past the Heresy and the Scouring afterward.

The kinebrach were chaos worshippers which provides lots of literary options for an escape. They could have said to the interex we have this ancient device or knowledge that will let us escape into the eye of terror (whatever they called it) and the interex desperately agreed. Then witnessing the power that chaos could offer, the interex sold their souls in exchange for revenge with the kinebrach their kin rather than prisoners

You what? The Interex weren't Chaos worshippers. They actively fought against it in all it's forms and they were heavily suspicious of the 63rd Expeditionary Fleet because they suspected they had already been tainted, which technically it was thanks to the Lodges and Erebus.

Correct. They kept Chaos artifacts in strict containment to study it and guard themselves. They were far more knowledgeable about it and better prepared than the Imperial fleets were.

The Interex (and the similarly named but otherwise unrelated Diasporex) are the two most famous examples of civilisations the Imperium wiped out not because it was in any way necessary, but to highlight that the Great Crusade was done simply for the purpose of hegemony rather than anything nobler or more benevolent. I'd argue they are presented as such in a rather heavy-handed manner if anything, but I can't fault the writers for it, for even with that heavy-handedness it's still overlooked surprisingly often.

They were the exact opposite of Chaos worshippers. As the Interex astutely surmised, the Imperium was far more corrupted by Chaos than they themselves were.

 Gert wrote:
You what? The Interex weren't Chaos worshippers. They actively fought against it in all it's forms and they were heavily suspicious of the 63rd Expeditionary Fleet because they suspected they had already been tainted, which technically it was thanks to the Lodges and Erebus.

Yeah but it doesn’t mean they are immune to chaos. And this is 40K. Tragedy is core to its story. So the one society that actually had chaos understood and under control to the point where they could safely let chaos tainted species like Kinebrach live amongst them turning to chaos is standard 40K. Especially if it’s because the imperium, which now fights chaos for its very survival, wiped out their civilisation in an the belief that their version of humanity was superior. And a bit of sneaky sneaky by Erebus. But if the imperium didn’t solve all its problems with genocide the interex could have helped avoid the Heresy.

And now they are back, giving in to the influence of chaos to have a taste of power and revenge.

Except the Kinebrach also weren't Chaos worshipers or tainted by Chaos. Your entire premise rests on something that's completely wrong.

mrFickle wrote:
The kinebrach were chaos worshippers which provides lots of literary options for an escape. They could have said to the interex we have this ancient device or knowledge that will let us escape into the eye of terror (whatever they called it) and the interex desperately agreed. Then witnessing the power that chaos could offer, the interex sold their souls in exchange for revenge with the kinebrach their kin rather than prisoners

We don't exactly have a lot of info on the Kinebrach or the Interex. What we're told is that the Interex are already aware of Chaos, when the Warmaster of the Imperium isn't. Their actions suggest they know how dangerous Chaos is and are appalled at the ignorance of the Imperium. I don't know where you're getting any of the above from?

That said, because there's so little info, you could infer the Interex were just as foolish as the Imperium, thinking they had full understanding of Chaos while being just as susceptible to its influence. That's a route the writers could have gone down, but the Interex were wiped out too quickly to explore anything like that so we just have the basic information we were given to go on.

 Gert wrote:
Except the Kinebrach also weren't Chaos worshipers or tainted by Chaos. Your entire premise rests on something that's completely wrong.

Ok my brain might be mixing things up but I thought the kinebrach were nasty guys that were defeated by the Interex but instead of genocide (because the intetex were nicer humans) they simply oppress them and took away their cultural and kept an very close eye one them at all times. And that’s where their knowledge of chaos comes from because the kinebrach made weapons using warp sorcery like the Anathame. They might not of understood the pantheon as we know it. Even the Laer who were a full slaneesh society weren’t obviously in the throws of chaos, if you didn’t know what it was. That all part of the story of the emperors children being corrupted. The Laer just looked like a Xenos society

Again, what? The Laer's entire species was crafted in dedication to Slaanesh. They absolutely were corrupted by Chaos and worshipped the Dark Prince.
They literally had a daemon weapon in their main temple that they actively worshipped.

They looked like a Xenos society because they were a Xenos society, just one that also happened to worship Slaanesh. The Emperor actively suppressed all knowledge of Chaos, which is why when the IIIrd Legion cleansed Laeran, they didn't understand what they were seeing was dedications to one of the Pantheon. That's the whole point of the fall of many of the Traitor Legions; they literally didn't know what was happening, so by the time it became obvious, it was too late.

Thats what im saying, at the point where we meet the kinebrach and the Laer our protagonists dont know what choas is, so they cant be described as choas worshippers at that point in the novels. And even the interex don’t think about it in the terms we do in 40K universal terms.

So I think the implication was that the kinebrach culture and civilisation and maybe religion existed in service to chaos even if they didn’t know it like we do.

A chaos cult that does t know it’s a chaos cult is still a chaos cult.

Except there's nothing to suggest or inform that the Kinebrach were in any way worshipping Chaos.

mrFickle, can you cite a non-fandom source confirming the Kinebrach were Chaos worshippers?

 Gert wrote:
Except there's nothing to suggest or inform that the Kinebrach were in any way worshipping Chaos.

No but they are extremely violent and warlike and experts at making extremely lethal weapons, the zenith of which is a chaos tainted blade that can kill a primarch from even a small wound.

Personally I think in those early HH books we are seeing a universe where choas has a more subtle and less direct influence on societies in the materium. Then they succeed in corrupting Horus and set the galaxy on fire and everyone learns the true nature of chaos

The entirety of the plot of the start of the HH was the most violent example of Chaos impinging on the materium, the birth of Slaneesh and the fall of the Eldar that cleared up the warp storms allowing for the Great Crusade to happen.

The Imperium largely being kept ignorant of the nature of chaos cannot be taken as proof of galaxy wide ignorance, it was a policy set down by the Emperor and didn't effect anyone else outside his remit.

Kinebrach may have had Eldar levels of knowledge.

As in….they know it exists. They know it does offer power. But they also know You Cannot Come Out On Top, So Just Leave It Be.

Knowledge does not equal mastery.


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Also, the Anathema was in a museum. Just as sacrificial blades once used in praise of now defunct gods exist in real world museums.

Acknowledging your past doesn’t mean you hold to previous practices and beliefs.

Indeed, it may serve as a warning. A “we all know what we did, and why we must never do that again” type warning.

mrFickle wrote:

No but they are extremely violent and warlike and experts at making extremely lethal weapons, the zenith of which is a chaos tainted blade that can kill a primarch from even a small wound.

Anything material can be tainted by Warp sorcery and magics. The end result doesn't mean squat.