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Sounds simple right.  Move 6 inches...

Well I seem to be running into this more and more.  People are moving the 6 inches plus the base size. 

They start the 6 inch measurement from the front of the base and end up measuring the back of the base at the end of the 6 inches.  This adds the base size to the measurement. 

I am told that this is legal. 

I have been told/noticed that it is also fantasy players playing 40K that do this the most.

 

Is this legal?  Should I continue to point it out every time I see someone do it?

 

 

Hrm....well there was a double post, and I guess I replied to the wrong one. Anyway....

Ask those Fantasy players if they measure the movement of their 40-man Goblin unit from the front of the block and then slide the 8" long unit up so that the back of the block is against the end of the tape measure.

If they don't do that, they they shouldn't do the same thing with their 40K models.

Sal.

Absolutely not legal.

This is what is referred to as "Creep", and this is the most common and subtle form of cheating (intentional or not). You usually only see it with kids or new players who simply don't realize its wrong.

I have no idea if there is such a legal move in Fantasy that is bleeding into 40k, but I doubt it.


If someone has claimed that this is legal, it has become blatant cheating (or a true misunderstanding of the written rule) and should be corrected immediately.

Sorry for the double post.

 

Yea, these are not new players.  I started playing necrons and it seems I really need to pay attention to this because people are trying hard to get in to close combat with me. 

Thank you for your comments.  I feel better that I am not being a **** by calling them on it.

I have actually played against quite a few people who have taken that little plastic GW range stick, cut it off at 5" and then go front to back, and with normal, man sized bases it works pretty well. But otherwise they are getting like 7 or more inches depending on base size, not fair at all.

I've seen the 7" move (measure front to back) a lot.

Another error that some people seem to make is parallax error. If you hold a tape measure 2" above the table, and you're looking at it at a 45 degree angle (say, halfway across a 3' high table), you will exaggerate your movement by 2". The line of sight will make the edge of the base line up with the marking on the tape measure even though you're out that much. You can see how much you're out by looking straight down over the marking, then looking from a few feet back - it's pretty astounding if you're not aware of it.

Since rigid tape measures can't be laid on the table due to models/scenery, I recommend bringing a cloth tape measure. These can be laid on the table surface, eliminating parallax error. They can be bought for $1.50 at any fabric/sewing store.

Best thing to get is a BRA tape measure, not too easy to find but they are quite thin and softer than the sewing ones. Easy to lay down, do your movement and pick up afterwards without disturbing models much/at all.

And as a bonus, you can easily measure the bust sizes of all the hot chicks who are hanging out to watch you play 40k!

wOOt!

we always use the same reference point. if you measure from front, or rear, or center you must end the measurement from the same point. in most friendly games if you un-intentionally fudge it a little(a 16th of an inch or something) it really isn't that big of a deal at least for people i play with.

This method of cheating is (thankfully) very easy to spot. What I encounter most, is when people measure the 6" roughly, remove the measureing device and then placing the models (a good 2" or more further ofcourse).

My basic but friendly reply of "That's an awfull big 6 inches you've got there." (roughly translated) usually does the trick.

Posted By Pharanox on 07/13/2006 7:46 AM

My basic but friendly reply of "That's an awfull big 6 inches you've got there." (roughly translated) usually does the trick.

If you told me that, I'd think you wanted to use your cloth tape measure to check my breast size next.

I've found that people that are doing it on purpose often stop as soon as they know their being watched.  To show them how silly it is, blue tac your wraiths scarabs on a super sized base (like a CD) some game and get them into Hand to Hand 1st turn.  The'll see the point.

I've tried the "That's an awful big 6 inches you've got there." When they realised I was actually talking about their movement distance, they tool back one of the extra two inches they had already moved.

hehe, you said tool... hehe

Has anyone faced by this kind of movement cheat tried simply cheating the same way back?

Has anyone faced by this kind of movement cheat tried simply cheating the same way back?

What would be the point. Why have rules to the game if you are going to degrade into cheating to beat cheaters?

Has anyone faced by this kind of movement cheat tried simply cheating the same way back?

9 times out of 10 this only helps one side of the game. Which side depends on what armies are playing. Besides, why should I have to cheat jsut because he is.

I've seen some one mount raptors on 40mm bases, do the same thing that every one is talking about, and fudge that movement too. It ends up being about 15" of movement.

My opponent tried to hit me with a demo charge the first turn of a game recently. Infiltrated "more than 12 inches" away and then went through difficult terrain. Tried to throw it only to have me throw it in his face. "You cannot be within 12". Since you can't move more than 6" and the range is only 6", there is no way it is in range and so you lose it to no effect." He was pissed and showed me he was less than 6" away. I then pointed out he needed to move back his models since they obviously went too far. Ruined his charge and angered him in general.

My vepsids then flew past him and beat the crud out of a stormtrooper squad.

Playing Tau, you quickly learn when they move too far because anybody in close combat with a Tau is going to be a winner.

that's exactly how I handled things.  Against a certain Ork player in our group, I'd pay close attention when we'd set up "at least 24 inches away" during deployment.  That told me that there was no way he could assault me before turn 4, as I'd set up slightly behind 24" (assuming I wasn't moving at all).  I'd keep track of the turns, and point out that there was no way to move that far when he tried to assault on Turn 3.