Space Marine list 1500 (needs help)

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**SMgeorge**

Hi, I just registered on these forums (for WH40K) and I would like some advice for an army list of mine. It's meant to be semi-competitive and is based around infiltration (a side question: how common are Alpha missions? Cause that could be bad to my infiltrated force). Also I want this list to be a 'take all comers' type that'll do well against whatever. Well, here's the list:

Traits: See but don't be seen
Disadvantage: We stand alone

==HQ==

~Master, terminator armour, pair of master-crafted lightning claws
*Terminator command squad x4, sergeant (storm bolter+power weapon), 2x assault cannons
345 points.

==Troops==

~Space Marines x6
*lascannon, plasma gun, bolters (including sergeant)
*all have infiltrate
133 points.

~Space Marines x8
*veteran sergeant, bolt pistol + power fist, teleport homer
*heavy bolter, plasma gun
*all have infiltrate
194 points.

==Heavy Support==

~Devastators x8
*4x missile launchers
*bolters (including sergeant)
*all have infiltrate
224 points.

~Predator Annihilator
*heavy bolter sponsons
*extra armour + smoke
138 points.

~Predator Annihilator
*heavy bolter sponsons
*extra armour + smoke
138 points.

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Total: 1499 points, 41 models, 2 vehicles.-

What do you guys think of the list? I could use some advice to make it better, thanks.

**Frazzled**

I'll let others comment but just wanted to say

Greetings and welcome.

I'm sure the list will be chewed on, but I like it. Its very Alpha Legion/IW'ee

You sure you're not ready to join the side of truth, justice, and the Chaos way???

Also add this to the lists of ones that could cause a ruckus for the 1500 point UM force also being discussed.

**Pernkopf**

You obviously rely on your infiltrate abilty a lot, which isnt a bad thing but I think that you might want to have some sort of counter assault unit besides the terminators. I'd take out one of those 8 man heavy bolter/plasma gun squads and make it into an assault squad. This will help you deal with more static armies and it can help get rid of assault units that are to close to your heavy weapons.

People like to use librarians in terminator armour and I think that this will really help you. Rather than take a master with lightning claws, take a librarian with his force weapon and either fear/fury or those powers that make him really good at CC(I forget what they're called).

**SMgeorge**

Well ya, I do rely on infiltrate a fair bit, but aren't most GT's played without Alpha missions anyway? And also at my GW most people don't even bother with Alpha level missions for friendly games. Oh and about the Master, I know a Librarian would likely be better but I really want the Ld10 going all around. I will consider assault marines though, thanks for pointing that out.

Thanks jfrazell for the comment, actually I do own an Iron Warriors list I would like advice on but that's another thread for another time.

**Blank**

Also I want this list to be a 'take all comers' type that'll do well against whatever.

Take more assault cannons, they are good vs. troops, tanks, and anything else GW makes... It hurts me to say that...
Try drop pods instead of infiltrate, about the same points plus you get to drop wherever without much of a problem aside from a long scatter...
Librarians are clutch not only for fear/fury which messes up many armies, but a psy hood is a nice thing to have...

As for the commander, well I have a funny one, my whole army pods or DS (speeders with asslt cans) but my master who gives blanket 10 starts on the board with a bp and ccw and hides in a building or behind a hill and just sits there, it's a cheese way to give everyone ld 10 with little risk to commander, figure who is going to waste a squad chasing this fool down, and if someone actually does, the rest of my army will shoot them up from the other side of the board where they ds in.