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Cadians arent Nids, so Eldar just confess their pact with the Hive- mind.
As IG offered to Play instead of running around pointlessly,
this may need a clear answer.
I'll give you all 7 hours, if there is no answer,
have to assume its Welcome to see IG M/R2 until 2011.
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H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
Look to your fellow mon'keigh commander. His demands themselves demanded a response. You are the wounded one and therefore a better target. If you insist on believing in an Eldar-Tyranid alliance, I can't break you of it. But I might be able to simply break you.
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Manchu wrote:If this game doesn't end in a peace treaty, it will almost certainly be an Eldar win.
Certainly?
Doubt that. May take down nids, but can't take down guard.
Emperors Faithful wrote:I don't quite understand your reasoning Manchu. Both IG can just keep moving and reinforcing 2 (another OP point IMO) and Kraken is more than a match for the elves even in his weakened state.
Nids may be unable to hit and need food to reinforce.
focusedfire wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:BTW, can Eldar Attack, Move AND Reinforce in the same turn?
Yes. Do you understand now why John was so worried about them being underpowered . . . cause I still don't!
TBH, it has taken quite a bit to keep the Eldar alive. It has taken luck, mistakes by the opponents and few drastic kamikaze type situations to balance the playing field. If the SM's had not been taken out early, I doubt a single Eldar would not have made the top 8. Between the dogpile mentality and the Eldars low points, as soon as the Eldar are wounded(down to 7-ish) on a crowded board that army is pretty much dead.
The main reason Biel-tan and Ulthwe are still around is because of Choas and the Orks failure in not focusing on removing us when they had the chance. If they had done so, there would have been nothing we could have done to stop it.
The SM tried to convice Orks and CHaos of it, but they seemed to fail at focus.
Eldar are still nearly immune to damage if the board isn't filled with enemys.
Manchu wrote:I don't know that there will be a Game Two, considering the development of TeamS. (You have to go where there is interest, after all.) But this was how Eldar were intended to play. This is also why Eldar wanted the SM dead early on and why Chaos posed a long-term problem for them. Canceling out their best tactic would not be a good idea. The other factions would simply need to organize and react to it more effectively than in this Game.
More effectively? wont happen, as personalities and 'natural' animosities ( Humans / chaos / xenos ) will ruin a long term alliance,
and without this you cant catch eldar ( without rules changes ). Plus, I think the time when a poster is online has been ignored a bit
in the analysis of yours, as a new turn at US time is easier to handle for US players and maybe some europeans or south-east-asians
may be not able to pull the same trick off.
Manchu wrote:Well, there you have it folks. As the current Farseer of Ulthwe, I recommend we kill off the Nids and conclude a peace treaty. Since focusedfire has already said truce would be fine with him, that leaves it up to the Guardsmen.
Is that an actual offer or just a trick to buy time?
Emperors Faithful wrote:I think an alliance against the Nids was agreed once before. Instead you left us IG and Orks to flounder against them as you killed of the Ork players bit by bit. Attack Kraken yourself and you may have a deal.
The usual way of the Eldar. They want YOU to fight, but keep themselves out of it.
Why should they attack Kraken, yet?
Gave them time to sort out the fate of Ulthwe, and it got me attacked. Offered to have a decisive fight, and they refused.
Manchu wrote:Look to fellow your mon'keigh commander. His demands themselves demanded a response. You are the wounded one and therefore a better target. If you insist on believing in an Eldar-Tyranid alliance, I can't break you of it. But I might be able to simply break you.
Break me?
You could pull your OP powers and ask me to release Cadians and I stop playing.
You could attempt to 'ban' me, dunno IMO need to be a MOD for that.
But break?
Ask and ye shall receive. I could leave this thread, as I am just a stand in for someone refusing to post.
OTOH, I may stick with my offer.
To make sure I was clear:
- I expect an answer if the other players are willing to play or if we have to suffer from this weird M/R until this thread dies or gets locked.
- I did offer to either make a stand ( and dont flinch, dont move away ) or to follow the main stream and move/reinforce .
- I may warn you I am able to daily M/R until dakka ceases to exist. And I am stubborn enough to not give up.
- did hope we all want an end / interesting game.
- maybe the Eldar should remember that us IG didn't interfere with the Orks(who ignore the attacks) vs elfs fight.
- IMHO, the fact of lots of eldar lost to the nids without retaliation is a hint on a willfully sacrifice.
So yes, I could be wrong. But maybe talking prevent false assumptions? So how about a clear answer?
Timer still runs. Prepare to either play or have a M/R borefest.
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H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
1hadhq wrote:The SM tried to convice Orks and CHaos of it, but they seemed to fail at focus.
Eldar are still nearly immune to damage if the board isn't filled with enemys.
@Manchu- This is why you take out SM's early in any game that 1had is in. His primary focus is usually to take out the Eldar, which is shown by his never once trying to negotiate with the Eldar. You might get different resulsts with differents players, but if 1had is in the game the Eldar will usually be his primary target.
1hadhq wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:I think an alliance against the Nids was agreed once before. Instead you left us IG and Orks to flounder against them as you killed of the Ork players bit by bit. Attack Kraken yourself and you may have a deal.
The usual way of the Eldar. They want YOU to fight, but keep themselves out of it.
Why should they attack Kraken, yet?
Gave them time to sort out the fate of Ulthwe, and it got me attacked. Offered to have a decisive fight, and they refused.
Never had a deal about the 'Nids. Our deal was to work together in wiping out Chaos and Orks and that we would not attack one another. IG violated the agreement by working with the orks and then again by attacking the Eldar unprovoked.
Let me know if you need the PMs concerning such.
As to 1had getting attacked....maybe if he didn't attack first and violate the established agreements, he wouldn't be a target now. :
@EF- Have I ever broken an agreement that we have made? Note, I still have not attacked you. It is sad that you broke our agreement. We were close to the agreed upon Vostroyan-Eldar stalemate. Oh well, Deal with the 'Nids your self, Biel-tan will wait until 2012 or longer now.
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Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
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1hadhq wrote:The SM tried to convice Orks and CHaos of it, but they seemed to fail at focus.
Eldar are still nearly immune to damage if the board isn't filled with enemys.
@Manchu- This is why you take out SM's early in any game that 1had is in. His primary focus is usually to take out the Eldar, which is shown by his never once trying to negotiate with the Eldar. You might get different resulsts with differents players, but if 1had is in the game the Eldar will usually be his primary target.
No they will not be My primary target if the Eldar refrain from putting a price on the head of the SM when I play them in a thread.
Don't blame me when your Eldar/ork/chaos alliance breaks.
Is this "take down SM as fast as possible if 1had is a SM" a compliment or just another way to blame me for the obvious issues arising from
the absence of a army when balance is dependent on armies?
Should play the same army as you, so you can try to attack your own Team/faction....
Remember, I may not look like a tactical genius, but the issues of M*/R/A were no secret if you ignore the whining.
Its a valid tactic to remove the fastest army at a board filled with slow armies. IG should have aimed at eldar as any other M1 army.
If you think I don't negotiate, I may stick with made pacts and not keep 3 or 4 alliances at once running .
Any offer made in the open ( as some refuse to respond to PM ) wasn't answered. So why again should I 'negotiate' with those
who feel happy with "enjoy the silence" ?
focusedfire wrote:
Never had a deal about the 'Nids. Our deal was to work together in wiping out Chaos and Orks and that we would not attack one another. IG violated the agreement by working with the orks and then again by attacking the Eldar unprovoked.
Let me know if you need the PMs concerning such.
As to 1had getting attacked....maybe if he didn't attack first and violate the established agreements, he wouldn't be a target now. :
@EF- Have I ever broken an agreement that we have made? Note, I still have not attacked you. It is sad that you broke our agreement. We were close to the agreed upon Vostroyan-Eldar stalemate. Oh well, Deal with the 'Nids your self, Biel-tan will wait until 2012 or longer now.
Sadly, I am always not involved in these agreements. I see only bits of the alliances made and thus assume from what I know.
OTOH, how do you expect me to keep an agreement I don't know of?
But to answer why it went that way:
Hit my fellow vostroyans accidently( barrage/ scatter roll ), Orks had no chance of survival without an active player so Itook them from the nids and nids were an official target of the IG.
2012? IG can sit this out to M41 Shall I take this as a " yes we'd like to post here daily and each of us will M/R then so this thread lives forever" ?
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H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
Manchu wrote:Well, there you have it folks. As the current Farseer of Ulthwe, I recommend we kill off the Nids and conclude a peace treaty. Since focusedfire has already said truce would be fine with him, that leaves it up to the Guardsmen.
Is that an actual offer or just a trick to buy time?
This is most definitely an actual offer. Ulthwe is grateful for the destruction of Chaos and will enter an alliance with the mon'keigh in exchange for the destruction of the Tyranids. But Ulthwe will never stand against Biel-Tan. If you provoke Biel-Tan, you also provoke Ulthwe.
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Manchu wrote:Well, there you have it folks. As the current Farseer of Ulthwe, I recommend we kill off the Nids and conclude a peace treaty. Since focusedfire has already said truce would be fine with him, that leaves it up to the Guardsmen.
Is that an actual offer or just a trick to buy time?
This is most definitely an actual offer. Ulthwe is grateful for the destruction of Chaos and will enter an alliance with the mon'keigh in exchange for the destruction of the Tyranids. But Ulthwe will never stand against Biel-Tan. If you provoke Biel-Tan, you also provoke Ulthwe.
Provoke?
Was told by John to press a red button. I admit, i didn't blast epsilon to pieces with exterminatus. Sorry.
Can't speak for EF, but I did leave the nids when the eldar struck at me.
As we lacked support to undo the nids (orks dead), to sit there and not hurt the nids at all but lose guardsmen to eldars?
Would have stayed and fought. But I can't be made responsible for pointless waste of guardsmen.
Biel Tan auto - distrusts me so all I say will provoke them.
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We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
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@focusedfire: Our agreement had been long lasting, you did in fact help me out a little when the Orks were stacking against me, delivering a killing blow. But I had thought it was time to deal with the Tyranids. I understand why you attacked the Orks instead (the only faction that could possibly catch you) but I was perturbed that you switched to Cadians. It quickly became clear that you hoped Kraken and the IG would grind each other down leaving you to pick off the remnants. Didn't suit me. I once held an agreement with Kraken as well, but a guardsman is nothing if not prudent.
Vostroya stands with Cadia. Ulthwe stands with Biel-Tan. My counter-offer with Manchu still stands. We will finish Kraken off with you, but only if you both prove your intentions by striking against the beast. Then we will move in to support.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
Emperors Faithful wrote:@focusedfire: Our agreement had been long lasting, you did in fact help me out a little when the Orks were stacking against me, delivering a killing blow. But I had thought it was time to deal with the Tyranids. I understand why you attacked the Orks instead (the only faction that could possibly catch you) but I was perturbed that you switched to Cadians. It quickly became clear that you hoped Kraken and the IG would grind each other down leaving you to pick off the remnants. Didn't suit me. I once held an agreement with Kraken as well, but a guardsman is nothing if not prudent.
Vostroya stands with Cadia. Ulthwe stands with Biel-Tan. My counter-offer with Manchu still stands. We will finish Kraken off with you, but only if you both prove your intentions by striking against the beast. Then we will move in to support.
Couple of minor corrections needs to be made here:
1)Cadia struck first
2)I pledged an endgame stalemate between Biel-tan+Ulthwe(If they were willing) and Vostroyan. Never mentioned Cadia. Why, because at that time they were still hostile.
3)Note that I have still to strike at Vostroya in return for your violation of the agreement.
4)You have chosen to align with a faction that has betrayed vostroya or broker her agreements on several occassions.
Biel-Tans reply:
You dig your grave, you die in it.
Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
In the immortal words of Socrates, I drank what??!
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
focusedfire wrote:
Couple of minor corrections needs to be made here:
1)Cadia struck first
So noted, in fact I did not claim otherwise. But Cadia was (and still is) my closest ally, except when Admiral Bell skitzed out or whatever, I couldn't afford to lose him to a fickle ally, especially when Ulthwe and Biel-Tan were so rosy. Even together Cadia and Vostroya couldn't handle the Kraken, and would surely have lost with your continued attacks. I didn't fancy my chances against the beast alone, which is surely what would have happened when you were done with 1hadhq.
2)I pledged an endgame stalemate between Biel-tan+Ulthwe(If they were willing) and Vostroyan. Never mentioned Cadia. Why, because at that time they were still hostile.
What? I can't imagine agreeing to that. That would hand the victory over to the Eldar side for sure. That may have been your intention, and it was what I was beginning to fear when the last of the orks had been killed off, but it would have been foolish of you to say that to me.
3)Note that I have still to strike at Vostroya in return for your violation of the agreement.
Take your revenge later, don't be a fool and scorn a chane to end the Kraken now.
4)You have chosen to align with a faction that has betrayed vostroya or broker her agreements on several occassions.
My men come first, then my Emperor, and then all others. I will do anything and everything to ensure their survival. I have PM'ed almost every faction in this game, playing everyone against eachother. I must come across as deceptively Eldar at times. Who was it you think that convinced the orks to throw themselves against the Tyranids? Don't fool yourself into thinking we shared a special alliance of any sort.
Biel-Tans reply:
You dig your grave, you die in it.
Fools words from a fools tounge. Empty threats indeed.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
focusedfire wrote:
Couple of minor corrections needs to be made here:
1)Cadia struck first
So noted, in fact I did not claim otherwise. But Cadia was (and still is) my closest ally, except when Admiral Bell skitzed out or whatever, I couldn't afford to lose him to a fickle ally, especially when Ulthwe and Biel-Tan were so rosy. Even together Cadia and Vostroya couldn't handle the Kraken, and would surely have lost with your continued attacks. I didn't fancy my chances against the beast alone, which is surely what would have happened when you were done with 1hadhq.
Right off the bat you show you weakness and inconsistency. Cadia is now and always the more fickle of yor choices. Also, you admit as to no hope of finishing Kraken off without the help of the Eldar. Then you end with your miscalculation of our intent that is nothing more than a cowards excuse for breaking an agreement. Nope, no Kraken trophies for vostroya without cadia trophies for the Eldar.
Emperors Faithfull wrote:
focusedfire wrote:2)I pledged an endgame stalemate between Biel-tan+Ulthwe(If they were willing) and Vostroyan. Never mentioned Cadia. Why, because at that time they were still hostile.
What? I can't imagine agreeing to that. That would hand the victory over to the Eldar side for sure. That may have been your intention, and it was what I was beginning to fear when the last of the orks had been killed off, but it would have been foolish of you to say that to me.
Ah, I see that you don't save your PMs. Also, your comment about an Eldar win between what would be Vostroya and two Eldar factions proves the falseness of your claim to machiavellian genius that you make a couple of lines down
Emperors Faithful wrote:
focusedfire wrote:3)Note that I have still to strike at Vostroya in return for your violation of the agreement.
Take your revenge later, don't be a fool and scorn a chane to end the Kraken now.
Absolutely no motivation for the Eldar to do such. Mayhap if you were not so foolish about breaking your non-aggression pacts there would be enough good faith to encourage the Eldar to commit its resources and do what you Mon-Kiegh are unable.
Empoerors Faithful wrote:
focusedfire wrote:4)You have chosen to align with a faction that has betrayed vostroya or broker her agreements on several occassions.
My men come first, then my Emperor, and then all others. I will do anything and everything to ensure their survival. I have PM'ed almost every faction in this game, playing everyone against eachother. I must come across as deceptively Eldar at times. Who was it you think that convinced the orks to throw themselves against the Tyranids? Don't fool yourself into thinking we shared a special alliance of any sort.
Giggle, and they make jokes about the Eldar. As to the rest of your statement,"Why do you think you were in a position of having to accept the Eldars aid?"........ Comeback in a century or two and you might be ready to learn the basics of Eldar Manipulation.
Emperors Faithfull wrote:
focusedfire wrote:Biel-Tans reply:
You dig your grave, you die in it.
Fools words from a fools tounge. Empty threats indeed.
Eldar live long and are patient.
@Viking Scott/Hive Mind-Welcome to the Stalemate.
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Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
In the immortal words of Socrates, I drank what??!
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
Well, hey I got a luagh out of the little thing Cadia and I pulled off. I actually thought we'd have to attack each other more in order to lure the Eldar into helping me, but we ended up seeing you do it straight away. It was quite a long awaited relief to finnally and properly blow some Eldar up. We've got a few of those Spirit Stones lying around at base camp BTW.
@focusedfire: Machivellian Genius? You flatter me by even suggesting I'd claim that. I sent a PM when appropriate, it was the very purpose of the game I thought, to play people off one another (even if they were Poster rivalries, not factional). Have you not done the same?
I still offer a move against Kraken. Manchu seems much more open minded here, focusedfire. I can see an alliance between you and the Kraken though.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
Seems Biel Tan has nothing to offer, so do we still play or should the OP end this misery?
You know, Guard can eternally M/R ,
we got enough Time to await the end
of a dying Race like Eldar.
Some Game stats:
Spoiler:
Attacks dealt:
- Imperial Guard = 96 ( 2 of them vs IG themselves )
- Eldar = 80
- Nids = 63
- Orks = 47
- Chaos = 42
- Space Marines = 12
basically, a single nid army made it to 3rd place. IG firepower was to be expected with A3. Eldar are up there, having most players plus
most of them regulars and the ability to do 3 things at once could be the reason why.
Attacks aimed at:
Chaos:
- SM = 4
- IG = 8
- Orks = 0 (pact with greenskins it seems)
- Nids = 2 ( don't bother with bugs?)
- Eldar = 28 ( and still no more than 2 eldar armies dead....)
Orks:
- SM = 1 ( ignored by fungi )
- IG = 17
- Nids = 15 ( ork know where the fighting is at )
- Eldar = 11
- Chaos = 3 ( pact?)
Nids:
- SM = 0 ( obviously delicate taste )
- IG = 8
- Orks = 36 ( they ate whole waaaghs )
- Eldar = 6 ( without retaliation )
- Chaos = 13 ( they like crunchy food?)
Eldar:
- SM = 16 ( a bit obsessed )
- IG = 11 ( alliance? Rather backstabbing..)
- Orks = 21 ( used their chance when nobody looked )
- Nids = 1 ( Manchu ) ( called them pets... )
- Chaos = 42 ( hate the ancient enemys minions )
IG:
- SM = 3 ( wrong targets or traitor guard? )
- Orks = 36 ( identical to 1 nid, but 2 IG? )
- Chaos = 14
- Nids = 25 ( got bugspray! )
- Eldar = 16
- ( IG = 2 ) Not sure if thats an achievement..
SM:
- Orks = 2
- Eldar = 10 ( oh the threat...)
- Nids = 0
- chaos = 0
- IG = 0 ( why should they? )
SM never got a chance. But 1 nid and the damage dealt should hint at the fate of this game if there were 2 nids.
Damage taken:
- SM = 24
- IG = 44 ( max wounds => 40 )
- orks = 95 ( a lot of fungizid used here )
- chaos = 72 ( bad quote: 42 dished out vs 72 received )
- Nids = 43 ( max 25. Healed most of the wounds )
- Eldar = 71 ( max 40. Not so fragile..)
Orks and chaos bit the dust. Eldar still live. The hordes werent threathened enough to go down. SM suffered from lack of reinforcing.
Last player active with his original army ( and no time outs ) => Emperors Faithful. Hand this brave man a cookie
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H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09 
Shall I take this as a " yes we'd like to post here daily and each of us will M/R then so this thread lives forever" ?
