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Martel732 wrote:And if we don't like mental gymnastics?

That's cool, there's plenty of other subforums. You know, any of them, except 40k Background.

Martel732 wrote:Thinking about it. This fluff is really stupid. Much more stupid than in the 90s now that I look into a bit. Ignorance was bliss.

As above - with all due respect, if you hate the fluff that much, what are you doing here?

Martel732 wrote:
Thinking about it. This fluff is really stupid. Much more stupid than in the 90s now that I look into a bit. Ignorance was bliss.

except it really wasn't/ the differance now is two fold. one you're older and more likely to notice these things, and 2 you didn't have as ready access to the internet spewing all sorts of silly memes etc.

The changes your railing against aren't all that new though if they exist at all. I started the game around 2006 and marine fluff really hasn't shifted much except the over the top 5th edition codex with it's hype of the Ultramarines and the shift this editions with marines 2.0. I can''t comment on much before that.

No army plays exactly like it does in the background because that would one ding sales for a lot of factions or require a stupid amount of models for the horde factions and two require many more one sided scenarios.

Roughly half the factions in the game would rarely if ever fight an even pitched battle with clear starting sides and objectives. Again background=rules has pretty much never been a thing.

one thing to keep in mind is that armor in 40k table top simply doesn;t work like armor. I mean in table top 40k I throw a rock at a space marine, and his armor's only got a 50/50 chance of stopping the rock. real life... doesn't work that way

Its not changes as much as all the additional details that are all so awful. And its lost its satirical edge. They are playing it straight now.

Maybe gws fiction was always awful. It certainly is now.

Not everything in life is straightforward and simple. And 40k lore is anything but either of those, in spite of how many people talk about it (including myself at times). It is a collection of myths and legends from the perspective of hundreds of individuals, a mass contradiction of tales told by dozens of authors without consulting each other.

I prefer to hold them in balance, as opposed to working from the extremes.

Martel732 wrote:
Its not changes as much as all the additional details that are all so awful. And its lost its satirical edge. They are playing it straight now.

Maybe gws fiction was always awful. It certainly is now.

Cool, again, if you don't want to discuss it - why are you here exactly? We just want to discuss the actual lore - not the game, not if we like it, just to discuss what purpose Marines have, by citing in-universe 40k lore.

 Melissia wrote:
Not everything in life is straightforward and simple. And 40k lore is anything but either of those, in spite of how many people talk about it (including myself at times). It is a collection of myths and legends from the perspective of hundreds of individuals, a mass contradiction of tales told by dozens of authors without consulting each other.

I prefer to hold them in balance, as opposed to working from the extremes.

I've always tried to treat the lore as propaganda. It's the official account of the side telling you their story. Space Marines are 8-9 feet tall? Could just be exaggeration. Kind of like the Starship Troopers movie which was somewhat contemporary to early 40K.

There's a great little short about some orks pinned down near a bridge. I think it's in the original aramgeddon campaign book. The Ork leader is musing over how all his old drinking friends are dead. He comes across almost human in it, as opposed to the way Orks are normally presented. I like the idea that everything we know about the universe is a lie of some kind; Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Tau.

bouncingboredom wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Not everything in life is straightforward and simple. And 40k lore is anything but either of those, in spite of how many people talk about it (including myself at times). It is a collection of myths and legends from the perspective of hundreds of individuals, a mass contradiction of tales told by dozens of authors without consulting each other.

I prefer to hold them in balance, as opposed to working from the extremes.

I've always tried to treat the lore as propaganda. It's the official account of the side telling you their story. Space Marines are 8-9 feet tall? Could just be exaggeration. Kind of like the Starship Troopers movie which was somewhat contemporary to early 40K.

There's a great little short about some orks pinned down near a bridge. I think it's in the original aramgeddon campaign book. The Ork leader is musing over how all his old drinking friends are dead. He comes across almost human in it, as opposed to the way Orks are normally presented. I like the idea that everything we know about the universe is a lie of some kind; Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Tau.

Except much of the lore contains information that is impossible to know in-universe and the entire propaganda idea is ridiculous.

bouncingboredom wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Not everything in life is straightforward and simple. And 40k lore is anything but either of those, in spite of how many people talk about it (including myself at times). It is a collection of myths and legends from the perspective of hundreds of individuals, a mass contradiction of tales told by dozens of authors without consulting each other.

I prefer to hold them in balance, as opposed to working from the extremes.

I've always tried to treat the lore as propaganda. It's the official account of the side telling you their story. Space Marines are 8-9 feet tall? Could just be exaggeration. Kind of like the Starship Troopers movie which was somewhat contemporary to early 40K.

There's a great little short about some orks pinned down near a bridge. I think it's in the original aramgeddon campaign book. The Ork leader is musing over how all his old drinking friends are dead. He comes across almost human in it, as opposed to the way Orks are normally presented. I like the idea that everything we know about the universe is a lie of some kind; Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Tau.

Space Marines are 7 ft. tall. Impressions from Black Library are often exaggerations.

The movie Starship Troopers came well after 40K had established itself, and is a satire of the book, which is definitely not satire.

I could be wrong, but I think those little shorts still get published here and there. I don't read and re-read my codexes like I used to, but I think that stuff is still sprinkled about.

Wyzilla wrote:Except much of the lore contains information that is impossible to know in-universe and the entire propaganda idea is ridiculous.

It works for me so... unlucky I guess.

Insectum7 wrote:Space Marines are 7 ft. tall. Impressions from Black Library are often exaggerations.

The movie Starship Troopers came well after 40K had established itself, and is a satire of the book, which is definitely not satire.

I could be wrong, but I think those little shorts still get published here and there. I don't read and re-read my codexes like I used to, but I think that stuff is still sprinkled about.

There's as tall as I decide them to be in my head.

 Insectum7 wrote:

bouncingboredom wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Not everything in life is straightforward and simple. And 40k lore is anything but either of those, in spite of how many people talk about it (including myself at times). It is a collection of myths and legends from the perspective of hundreds of individuals, a mass contradiction of tales told by dozens of authors without consulting each other.

I prefer to hold them in balance, as opposed to working from the extremes.

I've always tried to treat the lore as propaganda. It's the official account of the side telling you their story. Space Marines are 8-9 feet tall? Could just be exaggeration. Kind of like the Starship Troopers movie which was somewhat contemporary to early 40K.

There's a great little short about some orks pinned down near a bridge. I think it's in the original aramgeddon campaign book. The Ork leader is musing over how all his old drinking friends are dead. He comes across almost human in it, as opposed to the way Orks are normally presented. I like the idea that everything we know about the universe is a lie of some kind; Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Tau.

Space Marines are 7 ft. tall. Impressions from Black Library are often exaggerations.

The movie Starship Troopers came well after 40K had established itself, and is a satire of the book, which is definitely not satire.

I could be wrong, but I think those little shorts still get published here and there. I don't read and re-read my codexes like I used to, but I think that stuff is still sprinkled about.

claiming the SST movie was a "satire" of the book was just the defence made to try and justify how bad the movie was

BrianDavion wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

bouncingboredom wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Not everything in life is straightforward and simple. And 40k lore is anything but either of those, in spite of how many people talk about it (including myself at times). It is a collection of myths and legends from the perspective of hundreds of individuals, a mass contradiction of tales told by dozens of authors without consulting each other.

I prefer to hold them in balance, as opposed to working from the extremes.

I've always tried to treat the lore as propaganda. It's the official account of the side telling you their story. Space Marines are 8-9 feet tall? Could just be exaggeration. Kind of like the Starship Troopers movie which was somewhat contemporary to early 40K.

There's a great little short about some orks pinned down near a bridge. I think it's in the original aramgeddon campaign book. The Ork leader is musing over how all his old drinking friends are dead. He comes across almost human in it, as opposed to the way Orks are normally presented. I like the idea that everything we know about the universe is a lie of some kind; Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Tau.

Space Marines are 7 ft. tall. Impressions from Black Library are often exaggerations.

The movie Starship Troopers came well after 40K had established itself, and is a satire of the book, which is definitely not satire.

I could be wrong, but I think those little shorts still get published here and there. I don't read and re-read my codexes like I used to, but I think that stuff is still sprinkled about.

claiming the SST movie was a "satire" of the book was just the defence made to try and justify how bad the movie was

The movie wasn't even originally about the book until later. IIRC they just changed the name later on in order to get more recognition.

 Wyzilla wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

bouncingboredom wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Not everything in life is straightforward and simple. And 40k lore is anything but either of those, in spite of how many people talk about it (including myself at times). It is a collection of myths and legends from the perspective of hundreds of individuals, a mass contradiction of tales told by dozens of authors without consulting each other.

I prefer to hold them in balance, as opposed to working from the extremes.

I've always tried to treat the lore as propaganda. It's the official account of the side telling you their story. Space Marines are 8-9 feet tall? Could just be exaggeration. Kind of like the Starship Troopers movie which was somewhat contemporary to early 40K.

There's a great little short about some orks pinned down near a bridge. I think it's in the original aramgeddon campaign book. The Ork leader is musing over how all his old drinking friends are dead. He comes across almost human in it, as opposed to the way Orks are normally presented. I like the idea that everything we know about the universe is a lie of some kind; Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Tau.

Space Marines are 7 ft. tall. Impressions from Black Library are often exaggerations.

The movie Starship Troopers came well after 40K had established itself, and is a satire of the book, which is definitely not satire.

I could be wrong, but I think those little shorts still get published here and there. I don't read and re-read my codexes like I used to, but I think that stuff is still sprinkled about.

claiming the SST movie was a "satire" of the book was just the defence made to try and justify how bad the movie was

The movie wasn't even originally about the book until later. IIRC they just changed the name later on in order to get more recognition.

yeah I can belive it, as someone who enjoyed the book I thought it a pity.

bouncingboredom wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:Except much of the lore contains information that is impossible to know in-universe and the entire propaganda idea is ridiculous.

It works for me so... unlucky I guess.

Insectum7 wrote:Space Marines are 7 ft. tall. Impressions from Black Library are often exaggerations.

The movie Starship Troopers came well after 40K had established itself, and is a satire of the book, which is definitely not satire.

I could be wrong, but I think those little shorts still get published here and there. I don't read and re-read my codexes like I used to, but I think that stuff is still sprinkled about.

There's as tall as I decide them to be in my head.

You're welcome to it. However I have to say that 7ft is the stated norm for Space Marines, regardless of the bizarre inflations of Black Library.

I'd also mention that 7ft and swoll is HUGE. Way bigger than most people seem to credit. The Mountain from GOT is already surreal when standing next to most people, and he's 6'9". Add another few inches and thick armor and you have something plenty intimidating.

Making your own chapter with bigger (or smaller) marines though? Go for it.


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BrianDavion wrote:
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claiming the SST movie was a "satire" of the book was just the defence made to try and justify how bad the movie was

I've heard a number of different reasons behind it, either way it's definitely a far cry from a respectful representation. The tone is certainly satyrical whether it was planned from the get-go or added halfway through or whatever.

"Would you like to know more?"

Shame.