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Scott if Orks are an army that require some skill to win with then why not take an army like IG to Baltimore rather than Witch Hunters? If you did good with IG that would be saying a lot.

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Scott if Orks are an army that require some skill to win with then why not take an army like IG to Baltimore rather than Witch Hunters? If you did good with IG that would be saying a lot.

It wouldn't matter online. Lots of folks in these forums seem only interested in ramming fixed, polarized positions down other peoples throats. They aren't here to share ideas, they are here to vent and insist on their view of things. Reasoned discourse is met with caveman one-liner.

Right/Wrong - Good/Bad - Black/White - On/Off...
...the death of fun

I have a friend here that plays IG a lot. He likes the small special weapon drop units among other things. He does quite well against all of our 'top tier' armies. Having seen him play many times, and with his help, I believe I could field an unorthodox IG army and do quite well at a GT. Cheap drop units have been proven effective where I play. Tiny Schaefer units running around with St8 ordnance templates would be sick but would be a kill-point concern (unless I wiped the other guy out!). With LOS blocking terrain Rough Riders are very useful. Three Demolishers played aggressively and well supported might be fun although risky. Sentinel abilities have changed in V5. Im not saying it can be done but I am also not saying it can't.
I believe there are stronger books right know but an out of the norm IG army might be competitive. If I managed to find a workable list and do well I am confident that success would be met by some folks here with something like "...oh he took an unfluffy build..." or "...he must have gotten lucky matchups..." etc. ad nauseum.

Back in 2004 I started playing Tau. Nobody where I live played them and I thought the tanks were cool (I am a sucker for a good tank model). I took six squads of six Fire Warriors, three Railheads, some Drone squads and the rest suits. I posted the list on the old GW forum back then and the list and my understanding of the game was widely ridiculed and run down by most everyone that replied. I took it to the 2004 Atlanta GT and pre-tournament several folks chuckled at my build. I won 1st place and all of a sudden online it was an abusive 'power build' and I was 'one of those guys'. What a bunch of poop-twaddle.

As to the other part of your point, Sisters in V5 have yet to prove themselves as anything other than decent. I have been running Sisters off and on since they first were created and they look better to me in V5 than they have before but we'll see. Five games at a GT can do interesting things to ones belief structures. I have played horde Orks to a draw twice recently but that is only relevant data against an Ork player. In the case of the main build I am fooling with at the moment I don't run any Immolators or Rhinos. There are only two regular Flamers in the entire list and no Heavy Flamers. There are no cheap Stormtrooper scoring units. If I get low battle points I didn't 'do it right'. If I get high battle points it's an abusive build, Sisters are broken and I am a (fill in the negative epitaph).

It is reasonable to assume that if miniature gaming exists fifty years from now your grandchildren will be having these same bizarre exchanges.
(Notice I said YOUR grandchildren and not mine. I have been trying to get pregnant for years and no luck... )

scotts wrote:As to the other part of your point, Sisters in V5 have yet to prove themselves as anything other than decent. I have been running Sisters off and on since they first were created and they look better to me in V5 than they have before but we'll see. Five games at a GT can do interesting things to ones belief structures. I have played horde Orks to a draw twice recently but that is only relevant data against an Ork player. In the case of the main build I am fooling with at the moment I don't run any Immolators or Rhinos. There are only two regular Flamers in the entire list and no Heavy Flamers. There are no cheap Stormtrooper scoring units. If I get low battle points I didn't 'do it right'. If I get high battle points it's an abusive build, Sisters are broken and I am a (fill in the negative epitaph).

I beg to disagree with you Scott. Sisters placed 4th and 5th in Battle Points (4th & 14th overall) at the LVGT. I think the fear is starting to permeate.

Oops, yes they did. Fear the Sisters. Power armor with boobs...yay.

Okay maybe when IG get their new codex then.



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Blackmoor wrote:

stormboy97 wrote:
7. green ain't going anywhere, so all you meta game guys have to take the hoard into effect

marc

#2. Game Turns. This this the big reason for my hatred. I feel that I could win a lot more games against the Orks if I could get a full 6 turns in instead of running out of time after turns 4 and 5. It takes a while to shoot them up and to soften them up to a point where you can go forward and contest/take objectives. The problem is that the Ork horde takes so long to move, it is frustrating to lose when you know that you could win if you had time for another turn. I thought the problem would be fixed at the GTs this year because you have only 1750 points, and 2 1/2 hours to play. Then 5th edition came along, and now you have to run each unit every turn and that takes forever to do.

Don't hate the ork hate the player Allen, we got what 7 or 8 turns in the game we played and still finished early. If you play a hoard learn how to move fast, nothing worse than not finishing a game.

CrabstuffedMushrooms wrote:Apologies if this gets asked a lot, but could someone kindly post the Ork GT lists that everyone's been whining about? I tried doing a search but could only find vague allusions to the green tide and lootas...

Sounds like inflated hype to me... 'gratz to the players!

that takes the fun out of it, spend over a year playing and trying to figure out what works

GROUPED BY SUMMED TOP THREE BATTLE POINTS:
Orks 248
Eldar 228
CSM 210
Demons 206
Templars 185
Tau 173
Vanilla Marines 162
Space Wolves 159
IG 128

The poor showing by the Guard makes Frazzled sad

stjohn70 wrote:I beg to disagree with you Scott. Sisters placed 4th and 5th in Battle Points (4th & 14th overall) at the LVGT. I think the fear is starting to permeate.

Forget permeate, I started playing mounted sisters before they were cool! I'm hitting Baltimore like a firestorm baby! A FIREstorm! Adepticon thought they were nasty....sheeiitt!

By the way, thanx for the proof-be-told on the heavy support Immolators StJohn! I'll finish what you started.

Blackmoor wrote:Is it me, or does it seem like this is the year of the Green Tide?

Fresh off of their win in the LVGT, they take the top spot at Chicago.

Not only did they win, but they were 3 of the top 7, and 5 out of the top 15.

it's the same in fantasy.. all the newest released books are doing quite well. which makes it more maddening that we are still using some 3rd edition codecies.. While I like progress, it just doesn't make any sense.

I suspect that the new marines will have a good run at Baltimore. They have potentially many cover-denying shots (sternguard, whirlwinds, booby-traps, flamers/hvy flamers) that also can put out a large volume of fire.

I suspect that the ork horde is going to have a run for the money come mid-november.

scotts wrote:Oops, yes they did. Fear the Sisters. Power armor with boobs...yay.

All hail the nuns with guns.