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You forgot about Aun'Va.

He's a beast.

BillTheManiac wrote:

Do you think that is the reasonable way to go for small changes in army lists?

terminator commander=terminators as troops
bike commander=bikes as troops
jump pack commander=assault squads as troops

Aun'Va's gone from the 4e codex I think.

Anyway, the point about Tau is their codex was written three years ago so obviously it won't conform to the latest direction of the game as shown in the new SM codex.

Orkeosaurus wrote:You forgot about Aun'Va.

He's a beast.

You have a really twisted since of humor. I can appreciate that. But seriously, 205pts for a command squad that has no offensive capability. 205pts for what is essentially a company standard, now thats funny. 205pts for a squad designed to die and the bonuses given make the tau have preffered enemy and furious charge. I think the rules for Aun'va were written on April 1st.

If 5th ed is going to hero hammer then I hope he gets to call in air strikes.

for a definition of herohammer see Vampire Counts army book.

anyway, 40k isnt getting anywhere near as bad as that, at least for the time being...

That's very true actually.

And it's sad.

However Tau and Nids seem to not be able to fit in this mold (not sure about DE).

DE does: Take an Archon and you get Warriors as troops, take an Archite and you get Wyches as troops.

tau just need a 5th ed codex and they should be ok, they got one shortly after 4th and were a decent army (not powergamer material, but fun to play) for that eddition.

how about a crisis suit commander that allows crisis suits to be taken as scoring troops

then ill have an actual use for all those blasted things i got.

i see tau getting some sort of commander that would let you take suits as an option (think of that farsight with max retinue and xv8 troop choices plus elites and broadsides that would be like 47 battle suits
ow that would leave a mark

sweet how many suit you got
i got 10

Off-topic) 27 suits not counting stealthsuits.

I see farsight staying pretty close to how he is now with the army getting ws and intiative improvements and when facing the orc getting furious charge and preffered enemy. They're just going to get more expensive.

Now shadowsun letting you take stealth as troops, this I can see.


On-topic) Even though my beloved Tau are more difficult to win with in this edition, I still vastly prefer it over the 4th edition.

Call it what you want Hero Hammer or not, I still enjoy the game.

The only thing that should have been different is that instead of naming the SM characters, they should have said it was a title, like Chronos the tank vet. It's just a term for a long-timer vet that know what he's doing.

Going towards hero hammer? Did no-one play second edition now that was hero hammer 5th ed is nothing as bad.

I can see the arguement with the new marine codex, and such, but in regards to the fluff and the way the book is designed it allows you to represent all the 'codex' chapters without the need for seperate books for each of them, also most of the characters aren't that useful in themselves.

i use Shrike and from what i can see he is a character designed to get a 1st turn charge with a squad, they cause as much havoc as possible before getting killed, 5 KPs to Shrike and 10 Assault Marines is so far my record its only really the powers the give to the entire army, which is not in a sense hero hammer, look at Warriors of Chaos or Daemons for WFB if you want to see 'current' versions of hero hammer, compared to the older eds this is nothing at all.

Imo, heroic moments that H.B.M.C. described and we all love don't necessarily happen if you have "generic" special characters. They also won't happen if you just have countless numbers of "captain xyz with a power fist" or painfully weak characters that don't live long enough to have a heroic moment.

Give the HQ's a load of different, balanced options. It's doesn't matter if they are game breaking or not, if they are at least dirt cheap and are hard to abuse. The most heroic moment in my years of gaming was in a game of mordheim. My skaven master assassin (named and custom-modelled) dueled a Dwarf thane. Poor bastard went down with a shattered leg and reduced movement from this battle on.

Question is, how do we get these moments in 40k and fantasy? Not with special characters you have to take to every battle, imo.

Greets
Schepp himself

While it seems a little silly that a chapter *needs* to take the SC to get the modified Combat Tactics, they would have to rework the different Combat Tactics if you could just take them w/out the SC. I mean just look at Calgar's and Sicarius's Combat Tactics, they have no downside (other than the increased price of the SC).

I do not see the purposed IG changes to HQ as being bad *if* they replace the normal HQ. I mean IG already has a *mandatory* "generic" character (officer), so if the new ones simply replace him, then there really isn't much of a change.