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No offence, but an English Primary School probably teaches more in one year than he has learnt his entire life. At the very least UK primary Schools teach us how to write our own name.
*****I don’t know, I’ve seen your new prime minister

1. He's a former US President. You aren't.
You point? How does being Elected (under conterversial Standards I might add) to be a government puppet make him any better than me?
*****Well yea. Its easy to call someone stupid et al, yet they’ve achieved more than you or I ever will.

2. Time will reflect much more favorably on his presidency. Iraq was a very bad idea and almost a failure. The initial budget debacle and not trying to head off the housing nightmare in 2006 can be laid at his feet. But the same can be said for Congress. He did stop Al Qaeda and his administration worked well in the 2002-2003 recession. We'll see how this adminstration does, after two years of budgets that are 4x as large as anything in history and after we again treat terrorism as a crime.
Riiiiiight. As for Al Qaeda, tell that to the operatives still in Iraq and Iran.
*****They haven’t attacked the US again. I don’t really care about the Iraqis at this point.

We'll see how popular he is when he starts releasing Gitmo terrorists into the US. We'll see what the economy is like in 2012. We'll see.
Yes, "terrorists" that have never been charged with anything and have never had any proof of terrorism brought against the, At least when the UK locked up Irishmen we had SOME evidence.
****So you’re volunteering to let them bunk at your house yes? Last I saw, the Brits weren’t taking them either.

However, the fact Europeans hate Bush is always a positive. You guys love Obama yet haven't lifted finger one in requests, so who's the better President?
Obama has been in office approx 100 days....
*****Don’t worry, his administration will be so successful, it will complete the next 100 days in 72

Frazzled wrote:Oh contraire, Bush is quite upper class. The family is worth in the hundreds of millions IIRC.

You've got to remember that in Europe you're not upper class if you've had to buy your own furniture old boy!

Brain dead. Call me when you graduate from one of the top 10 schools in the world.

Which is odd isn't it....it's a good school with a great rep.

..they don't normally take C grade average students whose main talent has been "cheerleading" do they ? Never what you know is it.

He still graduated from it. You can't be an idiot and a fighter pilot, even in the reserves.

Again, we'll see how history judges his presidency.

Frazzled wrote:No offence, but an English Primary School probably teaches more in one year than he has learnt his entire life. At the very least UK primary Schools teach us how to write our own name.
*****I don’t know, I’ve seen your new prime minister

Typical American Fail. Your Prime Minister is Scottish, not English.

Frazzled wrote:1. He's a former US President. You aren't.
You point? How does being Elected (under conterversial Standards I might add) to be a government puppet make him any better than me?
*****Well yea. Its easy to call someone stupid et al, yet they’ve achieved more than you or I ever will.

Just because he has achieved more US Armed forces deaths than any other president Since Vietnam does not make them a describable/smart person

Frazzled wrote:2. Time will reflect much more favorably on his presidency. Iraq was a very bad idea and almost a failure. The initial budget debacle and not trying to head off the housing nightmare in 2006 can be laid at his feet. But the same can be said for Congress. He did stop Al Qaeda and his administration worked well in the 2002-2003 recession. We'll see how this adminstration does, after two years of budgets that are 4x as large as anything in history and after we again treat terrorism as a crime.
Riiiiiight. As for Al Qaeda, tell that to the operatives still in Iraq and Iran.
*****They haven’t attacked the US again. I don’t really care about the Iraqis at this point.

No, they have been to busy blowing up IED's at the troops in Iraq. And why have you stopped caring. The US made an Illegal Invasion of another Sovereign Country on information they have publicly admitted to be Knowingly Falsified. If anything you should be screaming for Bush's head.

Frazzled wrote:We'll see how popular he is when he starts releasing Gitmo terrorists into the US. We'll see what the economy is like in 2012. We'll see.
Yes, "terrorists" that have never been charged with anything and have never had any proof of terrorism brought against the, At least when the UK locked up Irishmen we had SOME evidence.
****So you’re volunteering to let them bunk at your house yes? Last I saw, the Brits weren’t taking them either.

That's because the UK is a lapdog of the US and slowly turning into the Big Brother State Orwell Predicted all those years ago.

Frazzled wrote:However, the fact Europeans hate Bush is always a positive. You guys love Obama yet haven't lifted finger one in requests, so who's the better President?
Obama has been in office approx 100 days....
*****Don’t worry, his administration will be so successful, it will complete the next 100 days in 72

I'm sure he will accomplish far more than Bush could ever dream. And even if he doesn't, it won't matter, because the reason he didn't is because of the God Awful mess Bush Left behind. Succeed or Fail, Obama cannot lose.

Frazzled wrote:He still graduated from it. You can't be an idiot and a fighter pilot, even in the reserves.

Again, we'll see how history judges his presidency.

When you are the Presidents/Ex-Presidents Son, you can get away with whatever the hell you want, Either Daddy will bribe the right people or the people will be smart enough in the first place to let it slide, lest the MiB get them.

Frazzled wrote:He still graduated from it. You can't be an idiot and a fighter pilot, even in the reserves.

Yeah.... and the economy is doing so well all those business genius' must be doing such a fine job!

..Oh please, yes you can.

Again, we'll see how history judges his presidency.

Yes. Time heals most wounds and tints all glasses.

I'm sure ( hell, hope) that he is remembered in a better light than when he left, and fair play to him he has done the decent thing and stayed away and out of the limelight since he has left, which must be a real culture shock having been simultaneously the worlds most powerful and least popular man for the best part of a decade.

It's been quite entertaining seeing American tourists being willing to actually admit where they are from once more. Must stick in the craw when you have to pretend to be Canadian !

We'll see. Typically the brainiacs mess things up quite nicely.

And back to the topic:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7557626&page=1

Well.... at least they are learning and listening eh ?

be fair, some of the Brainiacs have been good

...ohh I see

Gwar! wrote:The US made an Illegal Invasion of another Sovereign Country on information they have publicly admitted to be Knowingly Falsified.

Not to stay on the Pro-Bush band wagon or anything, but IIRC Congress gave the President the right to do so, they may never have declared war but the President still has the right to invade a place with out their support. With out their support how ever you aren't likely to get very far because you won't have money or supplies coming in. Though in the end Bush did have money and supplies going to the troops, which meant that congress did support the invasion. Now later on if they wanted to stop they could have voted on that, again IIRC they did vote and decided to stay.

IMHO.

Obama is gonna fail hard.
Bush in 20 yrs is gonna be seen as an average president, not great, but certainly not the worst ever. I mean, he never bankrupted a country into the trillions (Obama) or be like Ulysses S Grant,

His administration was marred by scandal, sometimes the product of nepotism, and the neologism Grantism was coined to describe political corruption.

I thought Bush was a decent president, and at least he had funny moments (eg: Japan locked door, shoe throwing) And the Uk isn't going to have to deal with the changes he makes, except in international policy.
Going to bed, gnight.

Oh here is me thought on bush, It may be a little long winded so bear with me. I don't think bush was a bad person. I do think he was a bad president, though not in the way most people think. here are some reasons of his fall from grace in my view in a non-Bush bashing way.

1. Wrong personality for a leader, He was pretty much a free spirit and overly head strong, it made him likable to his party line but seem uncomprimising to eveybody else in the world. Doing something because you can isn't alwas a good thing.

2.Being in over his head. There were times when Bush simpply looked lost, his White House constantly contradicted itself, garbled it's message, and over/under reacted grossly. Other times it felt like they would simply pretend a issue wasn't there until it got way out of hand, and then say "well it's happened don't dwell in the bast.

3.Fixation on the wrong issues. The economy had been in decline for a long time, nothing was done to stop the crazy groth of oil prices, home, car, school and food prices. People lived by the credit card to get by and it was bound to go boom. He didn't even do anything about welfare or foodstamps his party loves to complain about, or immigration.

4. Losing control of his White House. He allowed his vice president too much power, enough to say that he had his own branch of government. There were many reports of him issuing an order and people waiting for the vice president to ok it, and that leads us to

5.Disgruntled workers. Remember everytime somebody left the white house for "Family reasons" a while later they write a book bashing the white house. It was all the same message, they came to work for Bush and ended up being ordered to do questionable things, like lie or take the fall for somebody, but Dick and Co. Any dissent or grievince was intercepted before it got to Bush and punished. Consitering how loyal republicans are, and how many of these positions were hand pick by Bush himself, the work conditions had to be bad to turn the most loyal of all into critics. Speaking of communication

6.Bush lost comtrol of his party message. I don't know how or when it happened, but it did. Just like he was losing his grip on the white house, he lost the party message to a tv network and radio show jocks. He allowed them to dictate what he and his party stood for, and in the end when he tried to change a stance He ended up having to comply with what they said rather than them being the Choir to his message.

7.Letting the gak roll down hill. Saying that the biggest mistakes were somebody else's fault wore thin really fast.

8.Bubble Boy. Being isolated inside his inner circle "protected" by Dick, Bush never knew just how much things had turned aginst him untill election time, when the big attraction was Bush not showing up to an event, that leads us to...

9. The touch of death. A good number of Leaders lost power because they when along with Bush on some issue or another. He was even a tool used by political parties and terroist movements world wide. He rand out of friends in record time.

1o. The great destroyer. Bush single-handedly destoryed his party. THAT IS WHAT MAKES HIM A BAD PRESIDENT. His knack of vetoing everything that he didn't like, and suppresion of moderates saw just about most swing votes and moderates go democrat. this removed a lot of good republican leaders and left them saying the last 8 years we held power wern't our fault. Obama tore into that stupid argument like a shark in a pool of baby seals and laughed all the way into the White House.

Bush's crime is losing control of everything, letting other make the choices and not being aware of the public who elected him. His bad Governship as seen his party turned into a minority and reviled the world over. Also by give the power of message to tv and radio shows, his doomed every moderate republican to either be shunned by the people or join democrats. Hell I wish there wasa Republican that could stand up to O'Reily or Rush, I really do.

There Itried to IMHO outline why Bush failed as a Pres in an unbiased as possible way.

Good one. You wouldn't believe how much people take the piss out of Bush over here. The Chasers were all over his mistakes.