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Strange how the kids PARENTS were more keen on getting money from him than getting justice or even revenge. Believe me it smells like a shceme.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Strange how the kids PARENTS were more keen on getting money from him than getting justice or even revenge. Believe me it smells like a shceme.

I could agree with that.

...The bad backround is what made the 2nd accusation more scandulous.

Orlanth wrote:The Sun also tried this 'public service' a few years back and decided to out paedophiles.

To be fair they did get the right ones, but there were at least two instances of people hospitalised because they resembled persons whos pictures were printed. One of them was crippled for life by the attack.

Yeah. If memory serves it then later turned out that the self appointed "leader" of the local group turned out to be a benefits cheat/fraudster too.

..was it Portsmouth or Plymouth ? Somewhere like that.

Spot on Frazzled.

Aw, at first this thread was awesome becuase it was EXACTLY 50-50 half the time, but the AGREE section seem to be pulling ahead.

I know.... :I

Hang on, it's getting closer!

Emperors Faithful wrote:Aw, at first this thread was awesome becuase it was EXACTLY 50-50 half the time, but the AGREE section seem to be pulling ahead.

Yeah, it's like when you're watching some sport on the telly and you don't really care who wins, you just love that it's so close.

I disagree. I think he never had a real childhood... well what we'd consider a normal one anyway. Therefore he really was just acting like a child... the interview he did where he climbed the tree... I don't know many non-lumberjack adults that do that for a past time.

From what I have seen and read I know that he was acquitted of the charges therefore should not be labelled as a pedophile in the public eye, especially not by a politician.

He was an accused pedophile.

I honestly don't know if Michael Jackson was or wasn't a pedophile,but the fact that there was monetary compinsation gives me pause...I know that if I belived some one molested one of my children,no amount of money on this earth could save them.

@DaIronGob: Smack on target mate.

Certainly FITZZ, if there was money involved it sounds more like there was a scam instead of a scandal.

What sort of parent would have allowed their child to have a sleep-over with MJ - especially, after the first allegations?

Someone hopelessly naive?
Maybe.

A star f***er pimping out their child to get attention, cash and prizes from a celebrity?
BINGO! Unfortunately, parents who abuse their own children (in various ways) do exist. The credibility of the parents does not excuse the crime against the child. It just means there are two criminals involved.

In fact, MJ did leave behind a confession. In his music he directly tells us that he was "bad, you know it" and that we've "been hit by a smooth criminal".

DaIronGob wrote:I disagree. I think he never had a real childhood... well what we'd consider a normal one anyway. Therefore he really was just acting like a child... the interview he did where he climbed the tree... I don't know many non-lumberjack adults that do that for a past time.

From what I have seen and read I know that he was acquitted of the charges therefore should not be labelled as a pedophile in the public eye, especially not by a politician.

He was an accused pedophile.

As far as MJ's childhood, I call bs. Sure, Papa Joe Jackson was a bastard who did terrible things to his family and frankly from everything I have heard didnt deserve them. However, at some point in all our lives we grow up and become responsible for ourselves, our actions, and our lives. WE, as individuals. Not society, not mummy, not daddy. You take your good childhood, your bad childhood, your lack or excess of childhood; and you roll on with your life. YOU are responsible for your successes and failures. So the apologists can take their excuses and cram them up their butts. Because many people have had much worse starts in life, and florished as contributing members of society without resorting to behavior like this. And I am speaking solely of his documented and admitted behavior. Jesus Juice? Really? That's appropriate? Some guy gives my kid Jesus Juice and I'd blow through the ceilin! You're gonna give my kid booze?!

FITZZ wrote: I honestly don't know if Michael Jackson was or wasn't a pedophile,but the fact that there was monetary compinsation gives me pause...I know that if I belived some one molested one of my children,no amount of money on this earth could save them.

You know, it is quite easy to dismiss the words here as the ravings of the typical internet tough guy. "I was a Navy SEAL in Vietnam and WW I. I'm so bad ass, Chuck Norris makes Chuck Norris jokes about ME!" Unless you 've seen pics of FITZZ. I have a healthy enough regard for someone his size who is covered in tats and scars. Not relevant to the current conversation really, but just wanted to throw that out there.

utan wrote:What sort of parent would have allowed their child to have a sleep-over with MJ - especially, after the first allegations?

Someone hopelessly naive?
Maybe.

A star f***er pimping out their child to get attention, cash and prizes from a celebrity?
BINGO! Unfortunately, parents who abuse their own children (in various ways) do exist. The credibility of the parents does not excuse the crime against the child. It just means there are two criminals involved.

In fact, MJ did leave behind a confession. In his music he directly tells us that he was "bad, you know it" and that we've "been hit by a smooth criminal".

I cannot think of a good enough reason that such a parent should not have their children re-loacted to a better home. And as far as you MJ "confession", you are a bad, bad dakkaite.

VermilionButterfly wrote:The exact article reads:
"There is nothing good about this guy. He may have been a good singer and did some dancing, but the bottom line is would you let your child or grandchild be in the same room as Michael Jackson?" King said.
Agree or Disagree?

Except for the millions upon millions of dollars he donated to childrens charity not to mention the time and effort he spent bringing up awareness for other causes.

As far as MJ's childhood, I call bs. Sure, Papa Joe Jackson was a bastard who did terrible things to his family and frankly from everything I have heard didnt deserve them. However, at some point in all our lives we grow up and become responsible for ourselves, our actions, and our lives. WE, as individuals. Not society, not mummy, not daddy. You take your good childhood, your bad childhood, your lack or excess of childhood; and you roll on with your life. YOU are responsible for your successes and failures. So the apologists can take their excuses and cram them up their butts. Because many people have had much worse starts in life, and florished as contributing members of society without resorting to behavior like this. And I am speaking solely of his documented and admitted behavior.

My but you are taking a LOT of what little was said. While calling BS is your right to do since you are stating an opinion, I think that maybe you took way too much out of what I said.

Look at it this way, you are correct in that one is responsible for oneself... however, I was stating that MJ WANTED to be a kid at 50 yrs old. He surrounded himself with child-like things, he wanted everyone to laugh and play along with him. To him it may have seemed harmless, to us however it's down right weird and suspicious. Sometimes this kind of behavior is directly related to ones childhood. He was an entertainer since he was what? Ten? At that point 'fun' turned into 'work'. Also from the interviews I've read and seen, MJ was 'ahead of his time' when he was younger. Always taking the next step always pushing for more... Most ten yr olds I know only push for a new toy...

Mind you, acting a bit strangely isn't the same as behaving as Spartan warriors did towards the young boys.

DaIronGob wrote:
Look at it this way, you are correct in that one is responsible for oneself... however, I was stating that MJ WANTED to be a kid at 50 yrs old. He surrounded himself with child-like things, he wanted everyone to laugh and play along with him. To him it may have seemed harmless, to us however it's down right weird and suspicious. Sometimes this kind of behavior is directly related to ones childhood. He was an entertainer since he was what? Ten? At that point 'fun' turned into 'work'. Also from the interviews I've read and seen, MJ was 'ahead of his time' when he was younger. Always taking the next step always pushing for more... Most ten yr olds I know only push for a new toy...

Yes i 100% agree . The place i highlighted i would like to expand on that idea.

This "weirdness , and suspicion " is nothing but a reflection on how clean or dirty an individual's mind is.

If looking at an adult playing with children will automatically spawn "omg he is a molester" then you should also rethink about yourself.

Kilkrazy wrote:Mind you, acting a bit strangely isn't the same as behaving as Spartan warriors did towards the young boys.

Athenians. Spartans didn't have time for that sort of thing...they were too busy training to do the provolone beat down on everyone else...

Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Mind you, acting a bit strangely isn't the same as behaving as Spartan warriors did towards the young boys.

Athenians. Spartans didn't have time for that sort of thing...they were too busy training to do the provolone beat down on everyone else...

According to various sources it was institutionalised in Spartan culture.

ICHY!!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_en_ce/us_pelosi_michael_jackson

Even Satan weighs in.

Tyras wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_en_ce/us_pelosi_michael_jackson

Even Satan weighs in.

it's not satan, it is a robot

drakedeming wrote:

Tyras wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_en_ce/us_pelosi_michael_jackson

Even Satan weighs in.

it's not satan, it is a robot

Robosatan?

Tyras wrote:

drakedeming wrote:

Tyras wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_en_ce/us_pelosi_michael_jackson

Even Satan weighs in.

it's not satan, it is a robot

Robosatan?

Maybe a robot built by Satan, I mean just look at her and honestly tell me she is not a robot.

tonight on sci-fi......mechasatan vs. godzilla followed by giant monster snake attacks some stupid campers 23

drakedeming wrote:Maybe a robot built by Satan...

El Diablo Robotico?

MJ wanted to two things - to be white and a child forever. He got one but the other was impossible as hard he tried. I don't think he was a pedo he just loved kids on a rare and hard to understand level. I honestly don't believe he has ever molested a child.

He started when he was 5 years old when they debuted the Jackson 5, which means he was in training before that. He was on television and in magazines/newspapers for 45 of his 50 years and was not able to do the things we take for granted like just going to the store or playing in a park. Many of the people who talked about about meeting him when he was young talked about how adult he was at such a young age.

I don't think the White thing is correct either because he never once denied being a black man and often referred to himself as such. I think the skin thing is a little more complicated for that.

Yes Im sure that would require maturity and fast, being in such a fast paced world. I read somewhere he was negotiating his own contracts in his teens.