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Grignard wrote:I can see downsides to it, but so far it is the only game that's that I've played for 9 hours straight in a very long time. I personally find it more compelling than either Oblivion or Fallout 3.

I don't like the idea of microtransactions, and especially don't like that they are labeled as 'premium content' IN GAME, but otherwise I get a little chubby every time I play so far.

Lay off the cheetos then!

wait wait wait... so if i get the game, i have to pay REAL money (or X-box points which i have to pay for to get) to get download content?!?

Envy89 wrote:wait wait wait... so if i get the game, i have to pay REAL money (or X-box points which i have to pay for to get) to get download content?!?

Yup, just like every other game now. Apparently paying $9001 for a game that more often than not installs spyware isn't enough for these companies

Gwar! wrote:

Envy89 wrote:wait wait wait... so if i get the game, i have to pay REAL money (or X-box points which i have to pay for to get) to get download content?!?

Yup, just like every other game now. Apparently paying $9001 for a game that more often than not installs spyware isn't enough for these companies

meh, ill rent it and see if its any good.

but i allways got LOTRO and COD 4 (and 4.2)

Few expansions are free in any game; mods, updates, and patches sure, but expansions?

There is a fair amount of free DLC in it as well.

Regardless, it has 100+ hours of gameplay without spending the extra seven dollars.

/shrug

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Even so, I did blink a few times when I talked to the NPC in camp about the uninstalled DLC. That was a first for me, and not in a good way.

well now wait... i was under the impresion it was a large load of DLC that i needed to get sprayed all over my face or the game was not fun and i get pwnd in every combat.

a few bucks extra i can handel.

i think i might rent the game next weekend when i got time to sit and play (gun show this weekend )

DLC is 100% optional. And only the free ones involve helpful items.

One of the pay ones ($15 that is free if you buy the game new) has a new area with a new NPC party member.

The $7 one (that is free with the CE of the game) has a new area with a second "base" to use. The biggest advantage here is a place to store items for free - not something I have found to be necessary, just nice.

Both of these do involve some items, but nothing game breaking. In fact most of the new items in the first are for the new character.

You can get 3 free items for playing the free 2d flash game, and one free item for uploading a character to their servers with the character generator.
Again none of those items are all that helpful, one of the better ones is +1 all stats, which is not all that honestly.

Buying the game new, you can also get an armor set - that while nice, takes a really hefty Str score to use. By the time you can use it, there is comparable loot to be found.

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The reason there is DLC so soon after release (same day even) was because the design team was done a long time before the team responsible for doing the PS3/360 conversions and they wanted to keep going with the game. So they added more stuff instead of simply better stuff, or no stuff.

I am also playing this game on the PC (its much better and plays differently then the console, FYI) set to hard as a rogue. Lots of fights see one or two of my characters go down, if not a prty wipe all together, but I like that and keeps it a nail bitter. A sword to the ribs tends to kill as I see it, haha. I loved the zombie hold out battle on hard. Took me a few tries to get it done without a wipe (it lasts about 20 minutes depending on your party layout), but was great and took some tactical planning to get the job done. So far I've liked the range of quests and stories (i'm 16 hours in and only completed the noble quests, the warden induction and Redcliff.) Looks like this is a game that will keep me going for some time, which is good means the MW2 boycott will be easier and xmas will be hear with a few new games in no time. haha.

I don't understand how you weirdos can play it on hard. I am playing as an Elf Mage on Normal and getting my ass handed to me left and right (and I am only up to Lothering!)

Gwar! wrote:I don't understand how you weirdos can play it on hard. I am playing as an Elf Mage on Normal and getting my ass handed to me left and right (and I am only up to Lothering!)

Have you messed with the AI controls or taught your mage healing? Hard is only rough in the begining and if you didn't buy the game(ex rent)

WarmasterScott wrote:

Gwar! wrote:I don't understand how you weirdos can play it on hard. I am playing as an Elf Mage on Normal and getting my ass handed to me left and right (and I am only up to Lothering!)

Have you messed with the AI controls or taught your mage healing? Hard is only rough in the begining and if you didn't buy the game(ex rent)

My mage already has the top 4 healing spells, but I haven't tweeked the AI system yet. Not been able to figure it out yet (which is weird because I was an expert at FF12's system, which is close to identical).

Gwar! wrote:

WarmasterScott wrote:

Gwar! wrote:I don't understand how you weirdos can play it on hard. I am playing as an Elf Mage on Normal and getting my ass handed to me left and right (and I am only up to Lothering!)

Have you messed with the AI controls or taught your mage healing? Hard is only rough in the begining and if you didn't buy the game(ex rent)

My mage already has the top 4 healing spells, but I haven't tweeked the AI system yet. Not been able to figure it out yet (which is weird because I was an expert at FF12's system, which is close to identical).

It will make your life much easier when you get the party you want and have their AI tweaked.

kirsanth wrote:
One of the pay ones ($15 that is free if you buy the game new) has a new area with a new NPC party member.

Of course, it should be pointed out that he is the best NPC in the game in terms of combat potential.

Sort of. . .
I prefer berzerker(/reaver - as well as any rogue) for DD and a champion(/templar) to tank.

The bonus guy gets no class adjustments as he cannot learn specializations or use weapons/armor.

I do use him to tank a fair amount as well though, as he starts with a really high con.

Its not just the con score, but the abilities that come from from stoneheart. Its an automatic, pulsing aoe taunt; unlike all of the other taunts which only work on hit. Once that skill line is maxed out there's no reason any of your other characters should ever be targetted in melee, no matter how much damage they do to the enemy.

In terms of dps: he's the only character that can convert all of his damage to spirit, which ignores armor.

He's kind of like the dog (second best tank, in my opinion) in that his ability set (within each mode) is really limited, but also really effective.

Plus his rock mastery mode makes a certain companion quest far, far easier.

Dagger rogue/assassin/duelist is easily the best in terms of dps. Though that may be a result of a poorly conceived hot-fix.

Looks like rooster teeth is doing vids for it YT.