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I disagree with the contention that not many of the people in charge are reasonable or moderate.

JEB, I think you're being misled by what gets prominence in the media, which is more the shoty people on the extremes. As sebster said, if we're going to have a useful discussion, WE should not focus on those people.

Khornholio wrote:I always thought that the Sun getting hotter was the reason for most of the bizarre weather here on Earth. The ice caps on Mars are gone. There are more storms than ever on Jupiter. The surface of Neptune has got some weird spot action happening. Venus is getting hotter. It's more like solar system warming than global warming. Al Gore? Are you cereal?

For a while now my opinion of global warming has been that it is a natural cycle that is inevitable, not a blight brought upon by man. In my AP human geography class in my freshman year of high school I saw a graph of global climate throughout the existence of the earth and it had periods of lower temperatures and periods of higher. Right now we're just in a natural state of climate and the information in Khornholio's quote seems to be further evidence. As interested as I am in conspiracies I never considered global warming a huge threat in any case, even with evident human contribution.

Deep Throat wrote:For a while now my opinion of global warming has been that it is a natural cycle that is inevitable, not a blight brought upon by man. In my AP human geography class in my freshman year of high school I saw a graph of global climate throughout the existence of the earth and it had periods of lower temperatures and periods of higher. Right now we're just in a natural state of climate and the information in Khornholio's quote seems to be further evidence.

Yes, there are natural heating and cooling cycles. The point is that the current increase in temperature is not a part of any of those cycles, and is occurring at a rate far greater than at any point in history. The only models that predicted the increase in temperature over the last twenty years were those based on carbon emissions.

As interested as I am in conspiracies I never considered global warming a huge threat in any case, even with evident human contribution.

What does an interest in conspiracies have to do with the idea that industrial emissions are having an effect on the global temperature?

sebster wrote:
Yes, there are natural heating and cooling cycles. The point is that the current increase in temperature is not a part of any of those cycles, and is occurring at a rate far greater than at any point in history. The only models that predicted the increase in temperature over the last twenty years were those based on carbon emissions.

The problem is presenting this information in a way that people can understand. I do not claim to fully understand the science behind any of this, but it seems clear enough to me that we are having an impact, regardless of any ludicrous 'solutions' presented for this problem. We have a finite space to live in, i.e. survive in, and many people think of the earth as some sort of invulnerable sandbox that will just put up with our nonsense. If it isn't evident to a person that we have a direct effect on our environment in a tangible way as it is, then I am simply not going to be the one to convince them of a possibly catastrophic/neutrally balanced act of 'retribution'. The fact is, even without global warming, we are still seemingly fethed as all gak from our actions combined anyway... seriously....

We can change all of this no problem within the next half century, but I doubt it highly. Global warming seems like little more than a 'save the whales campaign' to most... which is also extremely important.

What does an interest in conspiracies have to do with the idea that industrial emissions are having an effect on the global temperature?

Nothing at all...

What I meant by that is that I would be interested in this one as well if I were concerned about global warming at the time. And now that I know that carbon emission is the main problem now I'm more interested in this discovery revealed in the article.