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LuciusAR wrote:Too be honest I'm not a huge fan of the Royals as an institution. Certainly I think they need reform, far to many hangers on currently.

However with regards to the immediate family I would never make personal attacks against them. Though I remain to be convinced that the Queen does an essential job there's no doubt in my mind that she carries out here role with considerable dignity and works very hard. I even have a grudging respect for Charles.

However with regards to the hangers on (of which I include Fergie and Andrew) I'm quite happy to make an exception to this rule. They are a collection of utterly useless scroungers. Fergie for example gets 15K a year straight from the taxpayers pocket as part of her divorce settlement. Not this may not seem like a fortune but considering there are many thousands of people, working their socks off on the minimum wage, who would give their right arm to earn this much in return for their honest work, getting this for doing nothing is a fething disgrace.

As for Andrew yes I'm well aware of his helicopter piloting during the Falklands however can anyone enlighten me as to what he has done in the almost 30 years since the war? Aside of course from playing Golf and Womanising at the taxpayers expense that is.

To be fair Andrew is currently (and has been for some time the United Kingdom's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment. (bit of a mouthful that!) In this role he has more than pulled his weight, I would imagine that he has probably brought far more money to the UK than he costs us in taxes. Also as Charlies younger brother, before Harry and William came along) he was second to the throne. So in my eyes he isn't a hanger on as not only does he work hard but is immediate family to the Queen.

LuciusAR wrote:
However with regards to the hangers on (of which I include Fergie and Andrew) I'm quite happy to make an exception to this rule. They are a collection of utterly useless scroungers. Fergie for example gets 15K a year straight from the taxpayers pocket as part of her divorce settlement. Not this may not seem like a fortune but considering there are many thousands of people, working their socks off on the minimum wage, who would give their right arm to earn this much in return for their honest work, getting this for doing nothing is a fething disgrace.

As for Andrew yes I'm well aware of his helicopter piloting during the Falklands however can anyone enlighten me as to what he has done in the almost 30 years since the war? Aside of course from playing Golf and Womanising at the taxpayers expense that is.

This one has to be dealt with. If we won't defend a veteran we don't deserve our passports.


However with regards to the hangers on (of which I include Fergie and Andrew) I'm quite happy to make an exception to this rule.
Sorry grossly unfair. Andrew served his purpose being the heir's spare until William was born. He cannot suddenly be thrown out of the Royal family. Frankly its offensive to even consider them hangers on. The Monarch and direct heir(s) and the siblings of themselves and their direct heirs and the still married spouses of same, make up the core of the Royal family. Anyone else is a hanger on, and guess what, they are not on the civic list. Edward is a Royal, Countess Sophie is, their kids maybe not.


They are a collection of utterly useless scroungers.
Andrew ran missile decoy duty. Let me explain how this works. You get in a helicopter fitted with a transponder, you take off and hover just over the waves regardless of weather and turn on a transponder. The transponder says in electronic-ese 'look Argie exocet missiles, i'm the warship.' If you are lucky the missile hits you and not your ship; yes that right you are doing your job best when you get targeted by a missile while in a helicopter with nowhere tgo go and nowhere to hide.

Now choose one of the following.

LuiciusAR you are...:
a) being a complete arsewipe.
b) someone who will withdraw his words regarding the moral worth of Prince Andrew.
c) explain why a veteran who pulls such duty (and had the opportunity to not do so because he was a prince but refused) is a 'useless scrounger'.

Don't try and tell us you didn't mean Andrew.


As for Andrew yes I'm well aware of his helicopter piloting during the Falklands however can anyone enlighten me as to what he has done in the almost 30 years since the war?
How much more need he do to be 'worthy' in your eyes. By this logic I have to wonder if you want to cut the disability pensions of veterans of the Falklands war as 'scroungers' too. Learn some respect.


Aside of course from playing Golf and Womanising at the taxpayers expense that is.
Amazing what you can do on a Royal Naval officers salary. The family home is paid for by the Crown, yes its bigger than he would expect to be able to afford with a mortgage in New Britain. Apart from that he pays his own way with his own pay. Of course now he has addtional roles and additional support but you are deluded if you think he is drawing anything like the pay he would get for being a businessman or politician in that role. Andrew greases the international trade wheels, and do so very well. People with those skills normally have 6-7 figure salaries and are worth every penny. Andrew has to take his civic list payment, and appear grateful he is getting it for 'nothing' from the taxpayer.




Fergie for example gets 15K a year straight from the taxpayers pocket as part of her divorce settlement. Not this may not seem like a fortune but considering there are many thousands of people, working their socks off on the minimum wage, who would give their right arm to earn this much in return for their honest work, getting this for doing nothing is a fething disgrace.

Actually it was £15k at the time of the settlement it will be even more now. Because its a portion of her ex-husbands pay.

What a scandal eh. These servicemen are flounting the paychecks that could have been better spent on another tier of NHS managers or a whole new Equality and Diversity quango. Perhaps these damn veterans should hand back the money they flaunt for the public good? But they do not, many are also slapping the taxpayer in the face by having the gall to support their families with the pay.

LuciusAR wrote:Too be honest I'm notFergie for example gets 15K a year straight from the taxpayers pocket as part of her divorce settlement.

And Lizzie Bardsley got £37,500 a year off Nu-lab. And she bred another generation of never work, never earn, never do anything but breed toothless simple children.

I know who im happier paying for!

mattyrm wrote:

LuciusAR wrote:Too be honest I'm notFergie for example gets 15K a year straight from the taxpayers pocket as part of her divorce settlement.

And Lizzie Bardsley got £37,500 a year off Nu-lab. And she bred another generation of never work, never earn, never do anything but breed toothless simple children.

I know who im happier paying for!

Be fair Matty anyone wishing to poke that miserable hag probably deserves the money, she must have a minge like a punched lasagne.

Orlanth

Take deep breathes and calm down
There was nothing in the post to warrant that reaction

Blimey, Lizzie and Philip have let themselves go lately Matty

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Blimey, Lizzie and Philip have let themselves go lately Matty

lol.

JEB_Stuart wrote:@Matt: It seems that the strongest sentiment towards the monarchy that I found during my travels to the UK were in Oxford. That always struck me as a bit strange. I was having a few pints with some of the lads there, and we were all ripping apart some republicans that were at the table with us...*sigh* I was born in the wrong country...

If you're thinking of emigrating here do it soon, before the new anti-immigration rules come into force.

squilverine wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

LuciusAR wrote:Too be honest I'm notFergie for example gets 15K a year straight from the taxpayers pocket as part of her divorce settlement.

And Lizzie Bardsley got £37,500 a year off Nu-lab. And she bred another generation of never work, never earn, never do anything but breed toothless simple children.

I know who im happier paying for!

Be fair Matty anyone wishing to poke that miserable hag probably deserves the money, she must have a minge like a punched lasagne.

Like a what?

Monster Rain wrote:

squilverine wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

LuciusAR wrote:Too be honest I'm notFergie for example gets 15K a year straight from the taxpayers pocket as part of her divorce settlement.

And Lizzie Bardsley got £37,500 a year off Nu-lab. And she bred another generation of never work, never earn, never do anything but breed toothless simple children.

I know who im happier paying for!

Be fair Matty anyone wishing to poke that miserable hag probably deserves the money, she must have a minge like a punched lasagne.

Like a what?

Like a burst mattress?

I was better of not knowing who she was, having not watched any dire IQ draining reality TV shows.

Perhaps you guys are outing yourselves, I would be less embarassed if caught comparing favourite quotes from Mein Kampf than seeming to know anything about this irrelevant lump without Googling first.

No outing mate, i heard about her in a newspaper? Funny thing "wife swap" isnt something i watch either.

Orlanth wrote:I was better of not knowing who she was, having not watched any dire IQ draining reality TV shows.

Perhaps you guys are outing yourselves, I would be less embarassed if caught comparing favourite quotes from Mein Kampf than seeming to know anything about this irrelevant lump without Googling first.

Ahem. Let's not get carried away. Some would say that frequenting a forum dedicated to lil' plastic manz is pretty lame.

Orthanth c'mon dude. Random article caught my eye... eyerybody gets to discuss their thoughts about Royals in general conversation... you are demanding we all google stuff. Yeah google is a reliable source for facts too right? lighten up, I think it's cool that so much national pride and standing up for the queen has come out of people being made aware of what this dumb lady is trying to do to them.


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Guitardian wrote:Orthanth c'mon dude. Random article caught my eye... eyerybody gets to discuss their thoughts about Royals in general conversation... you are demanding we all google stuff. Yeah google is a reliable source for facts too right? lighten up, I think it's cool that so much national pride and standing up for the queen has come out of people being made aware of what this dumb lady is trying to do to them.

That's actually not what I am saying, but we digress either way so it doesn't matter.

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Now that is what I am saying.

mattyrm wrote:No outing mate, i heard about her in a newspaper? Funny thing "wife swap" isnt something i watch either.

Here's a funny thing i heard in a newspaper

the truth wrote:Investigations

A review by Nicholas Blake QC published in March 2006[1] following a two year investigation suggested the deaths were self-inflicted but criticised a number of aspects of training at Deepcut which could have contributed to the deaths. Blake is a member of Matrix Chambers, a leading human rights legal practice in the UK.

Points identified by the report were:

* The training environment at Deepcut, causing low morale through poor accommodation, limited recreational facilities, and the balance between privacy and dormitory life.
* Unsupervised access to weapons.
* Supervision of trainees.
* Discipline, bullying and informal sanctions.
* Ventilation of grievances.
* Poor instructors.

A subsequent investigation by Private Eye in September 2006 found shortcomings in Blake's review. It criticised the robustness of the review and concluded that Blake "failed to get to the source of the stink that surrounds Deepcut and the deaths; that there was a negligent failure to address the glaring problems at the base that lasted for years".[2] The British Journalism Review commented on the effect that media coverage had on the investigation.[3]

A report by the Army Board of Inquiry was due to be published in December 2007, but was delayed by the Ministry of Defence until May 2009. The inquiry supported Blake's findings and returned open verdicts.[4]

I cannot believe that people choose to take their own life because of their jobs (although in the past I have occasionally wanted to). here's something missing here, and it's coincidental that the people investigating are the same people they were working for.


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one man's conspiracy is the next man's naive.

Guitardian wrote:I cannot believe that people choose to take their own life because of their jobs

Telegraph wrote:
The Foxconn factory in the southern Chinese boom town of Shenzhen is so vast that walking around its outer perimeter takes two hours. Its workers turn out components that are supplied to big Western electronics brands including Nokia, Hewlett-Packard and Dell. And it is here that most of the parts for Apple's iPhone, and the much-awaited iPad, which goes on sale in the UK this week, are manufactured.

Yesterday, Li Hai, a 19-year-old employee of the firm, jumped from the top of the building in Shenzhen to his death. It brought the number of suspected suicides at the factory this year to 10. There have been another two attempted suicides..

Dude, please open your eyes....

I have a confession to make. I'm not actually reading this thread at all. I'm just skimming it for more fapworthy pics. Sorry, but the only royal family I care about is Anu, Enlil, Enki and Ninhirsag. Enki/Ted Nugent in 2012!!!

Sumerian-Americans? That is a minority I haven't heard of before.

deepsh%t barracks... Not a nice place to get stationed apparently, i dont see how poor facilities make people top themselves though, on our first push into Iraq we turned up in Kuwait in January with no idea what was happening or when we were going home, never ate anything but rations and MREs for about 5 months, slept in a hole in the floor and washed by standing on a pallet and pouring cold water over our bodies and i still thought it was a good laugh all in all once the shooting started. The idea that the lads at deepcut topped themselves because of poor facilities leading to depression is ridiculous. Something dodgy went on there, i have no doubt about that.

..surely those conditions are an improvement on Middles....ahh... you see where I was going with that

The whole series of deaths there are very odd, I read the reports Private Eye published, very troubling indeed.

reds8n wrote:..surely those conditions are an improvement on Middles....ahh... you see where I was going with that

To be fair i was the only bloke in the commando who wanted to stay in Baghdad...

Kilkrazy wrote:

JEB_Stuart wrote:@Matt: It seems that the strongest sentiment towards the monarchy that I found during my travels to the UK were in Oxford. That always struck me as a bit strange. I was having a few pints with some of the lads there, and we were all ripping apart some republicans that were at the table with us...*sigh* I was born in the wrong country...

If you're thinking of emigrating here do it soon, before the new anti-immigration rules come into force.

I would in a heartbeat...but alas, the lack of a job, or the funding for post-graduate education limits my options. I can only hope to find a job in international business that will let me focus on the UK and Europe.



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Orlanth wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Hey Jeb

You are welcome to them mate
free to a good home

I thought of a better deal, swap you for JEB.

What a nice thing to say!

Well there's always McDonalds. They do business internationally!


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oh wait... we're all better than that aren't we?


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The notion of moving to the states to get a job here to focus on how to rip off the U.S. to rip off the U.K. because of financial loopholes you learn in school is just wonderful. No seriously I mean that. You will go far, man. Making food is a much less "I hate myself" kind of job, and face it, you really don't need the Lexus, and probably would look silly driving around in one anyways.

My missus made the move last year jeb and she doesnt want to go home, then her friend lisa came to stay for 6 weeks, and she doesnt want to go either, and now she is trying to get her other two housemates over and her mom as well! But i dont think York is that nice a city, so i prefer to tell myself its just my company. :-)

I've been all over the world a few times over and I gotta say location is far overrated. National pride can always be cockblocked by common sense. Pride in heritage is overrated, and a cause of strife. Matty has it right... 'good' places to be are about the people around you, not about the place itself. Hey, as an Englishman I often feel 'superior' to some of the country bumpkins around here. I also feel self aware that I am really no better, just different, and the air of superiority and British pride and such represented by the Queen is just another way of dividing. So I'll just hang out with my hick neighbors anyways and feel better in the back of my head, that even though we're English and therefore better at doing anything than anyone (except cooking and dentistry) we are ALSO better at being able to understand our superiority in context and therefore able to pat the little people on the head and deign to allow them in our company. I wonder if that's what it's like to think as a Royal?


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We do not condone the usage of the "Royal We" (Referring to Ourself of course) in our prescence, by those who are not Us. It is a blatant misuse of the grammer of Our language. It should furthermore be noted that by "Ours" We refer to "mine", and by "We", We refer to "I", likewise "Us" refers to "me" in your commoner dialect. This is an important distinction to understand in order to foster correct usage of Our language and cultural superiority as demonstrated by Our person.