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purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

SW number way more than that dude. they have thousands more.

Thousands?
They wouldn't be allowed First Founding chapter or not.
The largest company is said to be 200 (Ragnar Blackmanes) if this is taken as the number for all of them then the SW have 2400 at most. (Not including support)

Yeah but I am also talking about blood claws and Wolf Guard and lone wolves and the initiates and scouts.

Initiates will never be in a battle until they become blood claws.
Blood claws are counted as part of a company.
Wolf guard are also counted as part of a company.
Lone wolves are counted as dead uness they redeem themselves.
Wolf scouts are counted as part of a company.

Yeah but knowing the Space Wolves they vary in large amounts. Like one great company could be 500 if possible even thought it says Ragnar has a company of 200 which I highly doubt.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I said "supposidly" because their numbers fluctuate wildly. A Great Company can number anywhere from 150 to 1000 and is in effect a Chapter in it's own right (although they still answer to Logan Grimnar, the great wolf). Space Wolves stauchly defy Codex Astartes and only ever made one Successor chapter (who apparently befell some terrible tragedy and was disbanded), after which they never made successors ever again.

The numbers don't fluctuate the SW don't let anyone near Fenris.
A great company can number from 1-infinity but due to several reason it won't.
And the Wolf Brother (Successor chapter) were disbanded due to genetic instability.

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I said "supposidly" because their numbers fluctuate wildly. A Great Company can number anywhere from 150 to 1000 and is in effect a Chapter in it's own right (although they still answer to Logan Grimnar, the great wolf). Space Wolves stauchly defy Codex Astartes and only ever made one Successor chapter (who apparently befell some terrible tragedy and was disbanded), after which they never made successors ever again.

The numbers don't fluctuate the SW don't let anyone near Fenris.
A great company can number from 1-infinity but due to several reason it won't.
And the Wolf Brother (Successor chapter) were disbanded due to genetic instability.

Well not really. They just all got killed O.o

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

SW number way more than that dude. they have thousands more.

Thousands?
They wouldn't be allowed First Founding chapter or not.
The largest company is said to be 200 (Ragnar Blackmanes) if this is taken as the number for all of them then the SW have 2400 at most. (Not including support)

Yeah but I am also talking about blood claws and Wolf Guard and lone wolves and the initiates and scouts.

Initiates will never be in a battle until they become blood claws.
Blood claws are counted as part of a company.
Wolf guard are also counted as part of a company.
Lone wolves are counted as dead uness they redeem themselves.
Wolf scouts are counted as part of a company.

Yeah but knowing the Space Wolves they vary in large amounts. Like one great company could be 500 if possible even thought it says Ragnar has a company of 200 which I highly doubt.

"Ragnar Blackmanes company is second only to Logan Grimnars , boasting almost 200 battle hardened warriors" Pg 17 SW codex.


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Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I said "supposidly" because their numbers fluctuate wildly. A Great Company can number anywhere from 150 to 1000 and is in effect a Chapter in it's own right (although they still answer to Logan Grimnar, the great wolf). Space Wolves stauchly defy Codex Astartes and only ever made one Successor chapter (who apparently befell some terrible tragedy and was disbanded), after which they never made successors ever again.

The numbers don't fluctuate the SW don't let anyone near Fenris.
A great company can number from 1-infinity but due to several reason it won't.
And the Wolf Brother (Successor chapter) were disbanded due to genetic instability.

Well not really. They just all got killed O.o

Yeah really that's what it says. Genetic instability. They probably ended up dead but that's not why they disbanded.

Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

Wolf Scouts are not part of any company. They answer only to the Great Wolf and are assigned to Great Companys on a As-Need basis. Initiates are Blood Claws. In other chapters they are instead pushed into service as Scouts, but that is reserved for others. They're also usually pushed out in squads of 20, since Space Wolves Squads are never reinforced they have to make sure that enough survive to become Grey Hunters.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

No i mean is they have 1,500 in the chapter.
Because.....
their veterans company is 98 but.... Their tyranid hunters group is well over 250. And they have alot of scouts and captains and honor guard on Maccrage.
And Ragnar I love I read his books. He is too much of a badass to just only have 200 marines.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Wolf Scouts are not part of any company. They answer only to the Great Wolf and are assigned to Great Companys on a As-Need basis. Initiates are Blood Claws. In other chapters they are instead pushed into service as Scouts, but that is reserved for others. They're also usually pushed out in squads of 20, since Space Wolves Squads are never reinforced they have to make sure that enough survive to become Grey Hunters.

Have you read the new SW codex?
The scouts aren't all under the chapter master now but under the Wolf Lord then the CM.
Blood Claws are assigned to a company when it takes enough losses to warrant reinforcement until then they are in The Fang training.


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Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

No i mean is they have 1,500 in the chapter.
Because.....
their veterans company is 98 but.... Their tyranid hunters group is well over 250. And they have alot of scouts and captains and honor guard on Maccrage.
And Ragnar I love I read his books. He is too much of a badass to just only have 200 marines.

200 is double a codex company.
The rest of the SW make up over 1000 presumably and one Great company has 12 land raider redeemers.

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Wolf Scouts are not part of any company. They answer only to the Great Wolf and are assigned to Great Companys on a As-Need basis. Initiates are Blood Claws. In other chapters they are instead pushed into service as Scouts, but that is reserved for others. They're also usually pushed out in squads of 20, since Space Wolves Squads are never reinforced they have to make sure that enough survive to become Grey Hunters.

Have you read the new SW codex?
The scouts aren't all under the chapter master now but under the Wolf Lord then the CM.
Blood Claws are assigned to a company when it takes enough losses to warrant reinforcement until then they are in The Fang training.


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Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

No i mean is they have 1,500 in the chapter.
Because.....
their veterans company is 98 but.... Their tyranid hunters group is well over 250. And they have alot of scouts and captains and honor guard on Maccrage.
And Ragnar I love I read his books. He is too much of a badass to just only have 200 marines.

200 is double a codex company.
The rest of the SW make up over 1000 presumably and one Great company has 12 land raider redeemers.

Wow 12 redeemers? A land Raider crew is 5 marines... Damn they must really suck at tank killing.

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Wolf Scouts are not part of any company. They answer only to the Great Wolf and are assigned to Great Companys on a As-Need basis. Initiates are Blood Claws. In other chapters they are instead pushed into service as Scouts, but that is reserved for others. They're also usually pushed out in squads of 20, since Space Wolves Squads are never reinforced they have to make sure that enough survive to become Grey Hunters.

Have you read the new SW codex?
The scouts aren't all under the chapter master now but under the Wolf Lord then the CM.
Blood Claws are assigned to a company when it takes enough losses to warrant reinforcement until then they are in The Fang training.


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Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

No i mean is they have 1,500 in the chapter.
Because.....
their veterans company is 98 but.... Their tyranid hunters group is well over 250. And they have alot of scouts and captains and honor guard on Maccrage.
And Ragnar I love I read his books. He is too much of a badass to just only have 200 marines.

200 is double a codex company.
The rest of the SW make up over 1000 presumably and one Great company has 12 land raider redeemers.

Wow 12 redeemers? A land Raider crew is 5 marines... Damn they must really suck at tank killing.

That particular company is obssessed with flame based wepaons so i presume the guys inside have meltas. Or they just run the other tanks over with their Land Raider Redeemers.

The line under Ragnar's Company indicates that it has 200 battle hardened warriors, but that would mean it possesses no Bloodclaws at all. It may be home to a larger percentage of Wolf Guards and Longfangs, but by no means only 200 marines.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The line under Ragnar's Company indicates that it has 200 battle hardened warriors, but that would mean it possesses no Bloodclaws at all. It may be home to a larger percentage of Wolf Guards and Longfangs, but by no means only 200 marines.

Bloodclaws aren't always non-vets.
They could just not be promoted yet.



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Or it has no Bloodclaws due to them all being promoted.
And not having sustained enough casualties to warrant more packs of Bloodclaws.

Yeah. Thats why my chapter is so different in that we have 110 maximum

I couldnt find the point where they say that Blood Claws are assigned to companies. Given how they've portrayed the SWs in this edition it would seem that each company recruits it's own.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I couldnt find the point where they say that Blood Claws are assigned to companies. Given how they've portrayed the SWs in this edition it would seem that each company recruits it's own.

I think the chapter handles the recruiting of Initiates to bloodclaws then great companies choose the packs after they have suffered enough losses to make it necessary. The pack the progresses through the Great Company, they might become Grey Hunter and the Long Fangs and some may become Wolf Gurad or Wolf Scouts.

The Bullet under the Great Companies would indicate otherwise, since it says each Great Company is in effect separate and self-sufficient. However that's just my interpretation of it. The codex seems to be intentionally unclear on the subject.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The Bullet under the Great Companies would indicate otherwise, since it says each Great Company is in effect separate and self-sufficient. However that's just my interpretation of it. The codex seems to be intentionally unclear on the subject.

Thats what i thought but from the Ragnar Blackmane book series and the fact tht the Wolf+Rune preists are still directly under Logan Grimnar would mean the recruitment from tribeman to initiate and the Bloodclaw would be the Chapter authority but from their joining a company it is then the Company doing everythin. I think also each company makes it's own weapons and armour.

Sounds like my chapter.... Each company needs to look at its own recruitment.

Asherian Command wrote:Sounds like my chapter.... Each company needs to look at its own recruitment.

That's because your chapter is ridiculously spread out and could never sustain it's number from 1 world.

Interpretation from one author to the next is usually unreliable so I'd take it with a grain of salt. However part of the mystery of the Space Wolves is the size of the chapter as a whole. Being the Codex-dodgers they are I wouldnt be surprised if they indeed did number close to their original legion size.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Interpretation from one author to the next is usually unreliable so I'd take it with a grain of salt. However part of the mystery of the Space Wolves is the size of the chapter as a whole. Being the Codex-dodgers they are I wouldnt be surprised if they indeed did number close to their original legion size.

Legion sixe during founding or Legion size at biggest.
Also afaik there are only 2 SW authors, Dan Abnett and the people that did the SW series.
This means you could use this as there is no fluff that directly contradicts it.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Sounds like my chapter.... Each company needs to look at its own recruitment.

That's because your chapter is ridiculously spread out and could never sustain it's number from 1 world.

Thats true. The chapter has only just recently sent like 500 marines against a entire ghoul star alien force. but thats beside the point.