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Melissia wrote:"Fighting on the same side" does not equal to allying. Nor does forced slavery equal to an alliance.

Agreed. However I still think there's something to the similarities they share.

I can picture them sitting in a bar after many years of campaigning together against the rest if the galaxy. It would be reminisent of Jay and Silent Bob 'chatting'. The Necron being Silent Bob obviously.

Laughing God wrote:Whoever keeps saying necron and tau..... stop it.

You have on one side the Necron who hate ALL life and have no reason of really means to team up with anyone.

and on the other tau really the only bright happy race in the 41st millenium.

The 2 dont mix! What do they have in common? If anything the tau were engineered as the perfect food for the C'tan as they are very bright smart race BUT HAVE ALMOST NO WARP SIGNATURE!

Who's to say the Ethereal Class couldn't come up with a way of 'controlling' them similar to Vespids (who are considered allies of the Tau) or that the Tau could not develop a technology to free the Necrontyr from the C'tan. Both races hate psychic powers, maybe they've joined together to make a "Muggle-Alliance"

Either way, there's gotta be some justification for why they would join forces, if not then it makes no sense that they came together in Dawn of War...

It seems to me that Eldar and T'au (as they would both probably honour such an alliance, unlike the other factions) are the most likely occurrence, given the fluff and character of the two races. there might be some friction there, though, due to their conflicting ideologies.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:It seems to me that Eldar and T'au (as they would both probably honour such an alliance, unlike the other factions) are the most likely occurrence, given the fluff and character of the two races. there might be some friction there, though, due to their conflicting ideologies.

Sorry , but I have to strongly disagree. If the Eldar think that humans are a young upstart race then Tau are below them. At least humans have a similar connection to the warp in terms of the whole psychic thingy.

And being an Eldar fanboy you might as well have spat on my gem stone if your going to spread that Mon'keigh silliness.

Also Eldar aren't muggles

Vet Sgt Ezekiel wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:It seems to me that Eldar and T'au (as they would both probably honour such an alliance, unlike the other factions) are the most likely occurrence, given the fluff and character of the two races. there might be some friction there, though, due to their conflicting ideologies.

Sorry , but I have to strongly disagree. If the Eldar think that humans are a young upstart race then Tau are below them. At least humans have a similar connection to the warp in terms of the whole psychic thingy.

And being an Eldar fanboy you might as well have spat on my gem stone if your going to spread that Mon'keigh silliness.

Well, compared to say, Orks and the Imperium, I thought that Eldar/T'au would be most likely. I didn't say they'd be the best of friends; I don't expect to see Eldrad popping round for a quick chat and a cup of tea with Commander Farsight. They'd probably mistrust each other a great deal, it's just that both sides are pragmatic and therefore more likely to honour an alliance when necessary than the other factions.

Monster Rain wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Monster Rain wrote: The similarities between Tau and Necrons are philosophically similar if you compare their attitudes on certain issues,

I wasn't aware Tau had a policy of "destroy all life" policy. Since that's the only bullet on the Necrons agenda, I'd think the any allies of theirs would have to get on board with it.

It's not the only bullet on the Necrons' agenda, thank you kindly. And try disagreeing with the Greater Good and see how friendly those Tau are.

Yes, it is. The Necrons want all life burned away. It is their only goal. It is why they went to sleep after subjugating the galaxy the first time; to wait for all current life to die out so it would start over without the warp.

No one said Tau were friendly, but "For the Greater Good or else" is a damn sight friendlier than the unflinching advance of cold murder that is the Necrons.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Monster Rain wrote: The similarities between Tau and Necrons are philosophically similar if you compare their attitudes on certain issues,

I wasn't aware Tau had a policy of "destroy all life" policy. Since that's the only bullet on the Necrons agenda, I'd think the any allies of theirs would have to get on board with it.

It's not the only bullet on the Necrons' agenda, thank you kindly. And try disagreeing with the Greater Good and see how friendly those Tau are.

Yes, it is. The Necrons want all life burned away. It is their only goal.

Nope.

The Farseer's vision at the end of the Necron Codex is what the C'Tan actually have in mind. The Necrons are just a means to that end.

DarknessEternal wrote:No one said Tau were friendly, but "For the Greater Good or else" is a damn sight friendlier than the unflinching advance of cold murder that is the Necrons.

Have you actually read the Necron Codex?

Specifically, the part about the C'Tan not always wanting everyone to be killed, but leaving some to worship them?

DarknessEternal wrote:
No one said Tau were friendly, but "For the Greater Good or else" is a damn sight friendlier than the unflinching advance of cold murder that is the Necrons.

What about this?

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:
No one said Tau were friendly, but "For the Greater Good or else" is a damn sight friendlier than the unflinching advance of cold murder that is the Necrons.

What about this?

I think that pretty much sums it up for me.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Vet Sgt Ezekiel wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:It seems to me that Eldar and T'au (as they would both probably honour such an alliance, unlike the other factions) are the most likely occurrence, given the fluff and character of the two races. there might be some friction there, though, due to their conflicting ideologies.

Sorry , but I have to strongly disagree. If the Eldar think that humans are a young upstart race then Tau are below them. At least humans have a similar connection to the warp in terms of the whole psychic thingy.

And being an Eldar fanboy you might as well have spat on my gem stone if your going to spread that Mon'keigh silliness.

Well, compared to say, Orks and the Imperium, I thought that Eldar/T'au would be most likely. I didn't say they'd be the best of friends; I don't expect to see Eldrad popping round for a quick chat and a cup of tea with Commander Farsight. They'd probably mistrust each other a great deal, it's just that both sides are pragmatic and therefore more likely to honour an alliance when necessary than the other factions.

The Orks and Imperium are known to get on a bit through trading etc.

The Eldar are so aloof it's crazy. There's no way they'd ally with any other race in any meaningful way. Manipulate?, yes definitely. Jeez, the Tau are advanced for their racial age sure but Eldrad and the rest of his homies are having a wee smoke of the funny stuff (see the book Farseer) and having a wee snigger about how mediocre they'll always be at space travel, understanding the warp and building titans. Hell, they can't even turn their dead into war machines or make a decent looking sword.

Thus the alliance with Necrons. Fast space travel without the need for the warp, dead robot dudes and globe things to dampen the effect of the warp just in case. The Necrons being the older race will be able to supply all these things the Tau lack as well as an eternal supply of Werthers Originals.

Except the Necrons hate all life. They'd never ally with anyone, full stop (and no, I don't care what the BA codex says) if they were alive.

At least the Eldar would, if the need arose, acknowledge the necessity for temporary co-operation and then bugger off at the end of it.

Melissia wrote:Necrons don't ally with anyone, they just prioritize certain targets over other certain targets depending on which one is more dangerous.


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Monster Rain wrote:Memorizing the fluff by rote is one thing, reading it at a deeper level and making connections is quite another.

I agree entirely, and that is why you are wrong in stating Necrons would ally with Tau.

The people in this thread are looking at the merely superficial when they compare the two factions. Understanding Necrons on a deeper level would lead you to flat out dismiss the alliance between Tau and Necrons.

The idea that the Necrons/C'tan might subdue the tau and force them into servitude is an entirely different idea. That one is possible. But ALLY? Hell no.

this is not understanding at a deeper level, you are merely skimming at the surface of the Necrons theological outlook.

You see a race of metal zombies and view them as mindless zombies.
The necron i know is not one of cold malice and hate, but one of compassion and good.
You know not of how they long to frolic through a field of flowers, or kiss the girl they love on the vagina.
Or the great works of art hidden deep within the tomb worlds of the Necronotyr.
You obviously not yet recounted the ballad of BleepBloopious, who wandered the void for 4 millennia in search of his home, and his queen.
You see a race who goes to war when they are disturbed from their eternal slumber by jackass imperial miners every 5 fething minutes and despise it.

I see something more, i see something beautiful and good

The difference is simple to see between Necron and Tau. On one hand you have a grumpy, just wakened old man of a race and the other a naive young upstart fumbling it's way around the galaxy.

A perfect combo really a bit like Herbert the Pervert and Chris Griffin from Family Guy.

Necrons are not as nasty as folk make them out. Think about it, if they went to sleep to wait for everyone else (and therefore the warp) to die out they clearly didn't want to kill anyone.

Actually, not so.
They went into stasis so as to wait for life to recover. As you know, the C'Tan, who control the 'crons, feed on the energy of life, and so they need a good stock of it to survive. They are not so much grumpy old men as tools for gathering life that is suitable to their master's needs and harvesting it. The whole point of them is that they don't bargain, they don't reason and they certainly don't listen to noseless blue aliens. They just exist to act out their Star-God's demands, and those Star-Gods have no respect or need for allies.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Except the Necrons hate all life. They'd never ally with anyone, full stop (and no, I don't care what the BA codex says) if they were alive.

Well the BA Codex is fluff Canon so you can disregard it all you want but it's still the way it happened. To say "I don't care what the people who write the fluff say, my opinion on this overrides theirs" is a little silly, don't you think?

Necrons do team up with other races on occasion, when circumstances dictate.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Actually, not so.
They went into stasis so as to wait for life to recover. As you know, the C'Tan, who control the 'crons, feed on the energy of life, and so they need a good stock of it to survive. They are not so much grumpy old men as tools for gathering life that is suitable to their master's needs and harvesting it. The whole point of them is that they don't bargain, they don't reason and they certainly don't listen to noseless blue aliens. They just exist to act out their Star-God's demands, and those Star-Gods have no respect or need for allies.

And if the Star Gods dictate that the Necrons are friends with the Tau, they would be.

Point, but I don't think it would be an alliance of any kind. maybe the Deceiver would manipulate the T'au for his own needs, but never for theirs and in the log run they'd probably end up the worse for it.
Fair point about the codex thing too, I'm still a little sore about that. You'll have to ignore me if I take a snipe at it now and again.

Besides, look how happy that necron warrior is with his new alliance!

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Point, but I don't think it would be an alliance of any kind. maybe the Deceiver would manipulate the T'au for his own needs, but never for theirs and in the log run they'd probably end up the worse for it.
Fair point about the codex thing too, I'm still a little sore about that. You'll have to ignore me if I take a snipe at it now and again.

The word "alliance" has a few different meanings.

Working toward the same goal is an alliance, which isn't necessarily to say that they'll be having barbecues and going to each other's weddings.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:Besides, look how happy that necron warrior is with his new alliance!

That is so funny I can't bear it.

Or maybe Tau aren't the type of life that the star gods want to harvest? Maybe they had a bad experience with sushi in the past?

Besides my bulletproof theory were the Necrons not accidentally woken up? If not I'm sure the Tau had something to do with it. When was it the first Ethereals appeared?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm..........

Maybe the C'tan are alergic to seafood...

I spy race manipulation!
To be fair, there's been similar instances of that sort of thing with other "new" races, such as humans, who may have developed the "Pariah" gene as a result of Necron manipulation.


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Monster Rain wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Point, but I don't think it would be an alliance of any kind. maybe the Deceiver would manipulate the T'au for his own needs, but never for theirs and in the log run they'd probably end up the worse for it.
Fair point about the codex thing too, I'm still a little sore about that. You'll have to ignore me if I take a snipe at it now and again.

The word "alliance" has a few different meanings.

Working toward the same goal is an alliance, which isn't necessarily to say that they'll be having barbecues and going to each other's weddings.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:Besides, look how happy that necron warrior is with his new alliance!

That is so funny I can't bear it.

Waitaminute, didn't I use the same argument for Tau and Eldar being allies?...
Either way, I'm going to chuckle at the warrior now.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:
Waitaminute, didn't I use the same argument for Tau and Eldar being allies?...
Either way, I'm going to chuckle at the warrior now.

No, Eldar aren't muggles remember.

Besides, the Eldar gods Hate lesser races, and we all know how the C'tan feel about Tau!

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:Maybe the C'tan are alergic to seafood...

Yeah, 'Don't eat the fat round Tau with the spiky skin!'

Maybe that's why the Necrons have the flayer guys. Maybe they were the chefs who knew how to prepare the dodgy seafood?

Lets also not forget...

Orks were created by the old ones to kill Necrons

Tau desperately hate orks

The enemy of my enemy is my fishy-friend!


(A 'Cron in need is a friend indeed!)

Excellent point.

Neither race were interfered with by the Old Ones.


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I also can't see Eldar working with the Tau as they always look miserable.

All of this talk about fish is making me hungry.
I wonder if Tau taste like cod?

So the point of Necron/Tau consists wholly of misunderstood background and crappy pics?
Why am I not surprised?

If this isn't a "most likely to join" thread anymore, let me vote for SM and CSM just because both have "marine" in their names.

Hmmm either that or haddock.

I reckon Kroot taste like chicken though.


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No, wait. They'll taste like Puffin.

1hadhq wrote:So the point of Necron/Tau consists wholly of misunderstood background and crappy pics?
Why am I not surprised?

If this isn't a "most likely to join" thread anymore, let me vote for SM and CSM just because both have "marine" in their names.

Chill, dude. Those pics are meant to be ironic.
In any case, I've stated why i don't think it's a likely pairing. Now I'm hungry because these jokers keep bringing up salmon.