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Flyinmiata1 wrote:you do not get a cover save...

The special attacks that Reavers and Raiders get by passing over an enemy unit (the raider's being against all units passed over, tank shocked or not), clearly state that you get a cover save "as normal".

This ought to put this discussion to rest, unless the Deffrolla clearly states that you do not get a cover save.

AP does not = shooting, as the power that Idrel(sp?) for the Eldar has an AP of 3. It's a CC attack.

In the movie Fast and the Furious (I think the 3rd one) there is a rolling tanker truck barreling down at the hero. He drives towards it, timing his approach to coincide with the various hops the ROLLING vehicle makes on it's way to killing him.

axeman1n wrote:AP does not = shooting, as the power that Idrel(sp?) for the Eldar has an AP of 3. It's a CC attack.

In the movie Fast and the Furious (I think the 3rd one) there is a rolling tanker truck barreling down at the hero. He drives towards it, timing his approach to coincide with the various hops the ROLLING vehicle makes on it's way to killing him.

Yes, the eye of wrath. Prince Yriel I think..

(Off topic)One thing that bugs me is that.. The eye of wrath is written in the same way as Eldritch Storm but, nobody ever argues that The Eye scatters. Also the mawloc's blast that it makes when it emerges, written in the same fashion.

Storm is not written in the same way, as it has a normal weapon profile stating it is a blast weapon.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Storm is not written in the same way, as it has a normal weapon profile stating it is a blast weapon.

Yes, but the instructions for using it state "place the template, units under it take a hit" (same wording that the eye, and the mawloc's blast use), and the eldar FAQ states that eldritch storm is a psychic shooting attack with exceptions as stated in it's description. That's why it seems to me that it shouldn't scatter.

I know that everyone still plays it as it does scatter, and I don't use it anyway, it just seems that they probably intended for it to not scatter, since they worded it that way.

Anyway, anyone gonna try and refute if you get cover saves vs the Deffrolla anymore? Gwar? :p

When the y created the codex it didnt scatter, as that was back in 4th ed.

Since then the core rules have changed.