Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Nids probably cannot develope immunity to nukes due to the way nukes do their damage on the atomic level. Changing your genetics does gak when your genetics are still made up of atoms which are all being excited to radicals at a rapid rate.

The leman russ battle tank in all honesty is technologically inferior to most tanks today. And most nations tanks are not their highest tech fighting forces. Save the power source being nuclear.

1 tyranid specimen alive or dead would allow for generation of biological weapons within a working day of initial study.

Also when nations backs are to the wall things happen. Global communication does exist on many levels both space, air, and groundborne. Much of the communication technology is wireless and relatively short ranged so the hive fleet wouldnt be able to recognize its existence until they were basically in orbit of our planet.

We cut off germanies oil supply and they were running all of their tanks and what not on ethanol within a week.

Nukes, ICBMS, etc do not have to always be fired at ground target. Most nations that have nuclear powers can fire nuke into space. We also are not including hydrogen bombs, chemical warheads, and neutron bombs. Of which the only one the nids could adapt to would be possible chemical.

And unlike 40k the pathway to launching a nuclear weapon is a lot easier for any nation that has them compared to the 40k universe.

I doubt the world would last under sustained efforts from any hive fleet, but even though we haven't colonised other planets it is worth noting in many ways our offensive technology is superior to that of the imperium, and I believe people who think we wouldnt last a day or even a week are not really aware of the full firepower our world has and what would happen when the leaders of the world begin to decide that without unleashing everything we have we are doomed.

blaktoof wrote:1 tyranid specimen alive or dead would allow for generation of biological weapons within a working day of initial study.

That I simply don't believe .

blaktoof wrote:Also when nations backs are to the wall things happen. Global communication does exist on many levels both space, air, and groundborne. Much of the communication technology is wireless and relatively short ranged so the hive fleet wouldnt be able to recognize its existence until they were basically in orbit of our planet.

The genestealer cult infiltration would have gathered all of the relevant data on this. Our satellite in orbit are pretty much defenseless and would be taken out easily by the Hive Fleet, which in and out of itself pretty much screw any global communication. And it's not like the cults just disapear after this, they can sabotage, assassinate or even already be in control of several military asset before and during the invasion.

Secondly, the Tyrannids are intelligent. Any grounds troops or bio-plasma bombardment would first target communication arrays and high population center (nom nom) making it difficult to find and coordinate on targets and making said target filled with civilians. Bombers aren't so awesome when your target are engaged in ground fights with your troop on your airfield.

Global com would go down first, followed by local com... and at some point, you'll end up with a base full of missile and no idea of the city 2 states over is under attack or not... so what do you, just launch everything and hope for the best?

Nukes, ICBMS, etc do not have to always be fired at ground target. Most nations that have nuclear powers can fire nuke into space. We also are not including hydrogen bombs, chemical warheads, and neutron bombs. Of which the only one the nids could adapt to would be possible chemical.

And unlike 40k the pathway to launching a nuclear weapon is a lot easier for any nation that has them compared to the 40k universe.

Space missiles? Based on what? Were those missiles ever tested? Do we have any proof that we can actually hit a 'live target' with it?

Do they have any way to deal with a krakens (or any 'smaller' bio ship) slamming into it before it even gets close to the hive ship? I'm not even sure bio-ship would be needed for the task to be honest, just send Harpies or Gargoyles or spore mines... Or heck, just getting shot out of space?

And would you actually be able get target coordinates without our satellite network?

I doubt the world would last under sustained efforts from any hive fleet, but even though we haven't colonised other planets it is worth noting in many ways our offensive technology is superior to that of the imperium, and I believe people who think we wouldnt last a day or even a week are not really aware of the full firepower our world has and what would happen when the leaders of the world begin to decide that without unleashing everything we have we are doomed.

Firepower is meaningless if it can't be directed properly.

I just had a fun image in my had of Tyranids descending upon the whole earth, nukes plopping up in the sky everywhere, falling down again, then the whole shebang is gone

Seriously, not long. Like others have said, most of humanity would be gone in less than a day. Isolated pockets of resistance would probably exist for longer, but still not very long...perhaps a week if they are extremely well-hidden and very, VERY good at survival.

I'm not all that well-versed in the finer arts of Tyranid invasions, do they attack the whole planet at once or do they have a "starting point" and spread outwards?

Ratius wrote:Or Hariden snacks on said plane for lunch.

Nah, this is pure rubbish. I really hate how GW created an airforce for nids. Fine they have some kind of 60 tonnes flying monster. The point is that Harridan are only dangerous at close quarters. Their bio cannons have a very limited range and they can't attack flying objects with their scything talons.
Now tell me how a harridan can do anything against a B52 flying at a speed of 925 km/h, and I'm not even mentionning modern jet-fighters. A harridan would get a phoenix missile in the face before even detecting the ennemy plane.

However, I didn't think about our ground crew being nom-nommed by hordes of gaunts... if this happens, well, let's just say we got it in deep...

Gibbsey wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:Everyone would have gone mad with the shadow in the warp .

Except no. As I've already pointed out the present population of Earth is psychic nulls. If anyone goes mad, it's the nids from the 6 or so billion nulls gathered on one planet.

Except no. As I've already pointed out non-psykers are not mean nulls. A null is soulless & has no warp presence. Nulls are also as rare amongst psykers as psykers are amongst normals. Just because the present population of the earth has shown no proof of an ability to manifest psyker-like powers does not mean we are nulls.

By your logic daemons should have no reason to attack the imperium as every non-psyker is a null. Which would disrupt them & cause physical harm.

Except no we arnt the imperium or even in the 40k Universe...

So sorry but havent really seen any evidence to support the warp in our universe....

This one made me laugh.

A lot.

So we're not in the Imperium, or the 40K universe, BUT we are facing a nid invasion, and the fact that we're all psychic blankss will have some sort of effect?

I say a few hours, sheer force of numbers will weigh us down given that only a certain percentage of Earth's total population possess weaponry capable of holding off the enemies assaulting them.

Then account for the fact that the ENTIRE world is under attack at any given time, many choking to death on lethal spores. Then factor in that a certain percentage of the world's population consists of children who cannot fight. Once again, one must also remember that there will be very few areas where the force can actually be resisted, as the entirety of Earth's population will not be fighting together on the same front.

So, I give us a few hours if the Tyranids have decided to use outriders to collapse our government systems using Genestealers and tainting the population pools.

Bookwrack wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:Everyone would have gone mad with the shadow in the warp .

Except no. As I've already pointed out the present population of Earth is psychic nulls. If anyone goes mad, it's the nids from the 6 or so billion nulls gathered on one planet.

Except no. As I've already pointed out non-psykers are not mean nulls. A null is soulless & has no warp presence. Nulls are also as rare amongst psykers as psykers are amongst normals. Just because the present population of the earth has shown no proof of an ability to manifest psyker-like powers does not mean we are nulls.

By your logic daemons should have no reason to attack the imperium as every non-psyker is a null. Which would disrupt them & cause physical harm.

Except no we arnt the imperium or even in the 40k Universe...

So sorry but havent really seen any evidence to support the warp in our universe....

This one made me laugh.

A lot.

So we're not in the Imperium, or the 40K universe, BUT we are facing a nid invasion, and the fact that we're all psychic blankss will have some sort of effect?

No. the original quote was talking about how humans would be affected by "shadow in the warp". And yes currently i believe we are not in the 40k universe or imperium so i was under the assumption that the nids would have to come in under our universe....

That so many people keep restating the same arguments on here, over and over without listening to the overwhelming evidence being put up against them is becoming a tad frustrating.

Re-stating that we could develop bioweapons based on nid cells in anything less than a week is science fiction, not fact. Culturing, growing and testing any strain of micro-organisms takes time. We do not have the tech to accelerate this yet.

Secondly, nids land on a variety of planets, all with their own microfauna. If they weren't capable of shrugging off the diseases a planet had to offer , every fleet would come down with the sniffles and never conquer anything.

Lastly, for those who keep ignoring all of the sensible responses, all the firepower on earth means nothing if you can't aim it or know where to send it. No satellites means no gps and no precision anything. Laser designation is fine assuming you've got someone alive on the surface to point it at the target. With the hive mind gibbering in your ear that's a big if.

if anyone (civiliain or military) saw a real life genestealer running at them they would do 2 things,

1- Sh*t their pants

2- Die

so sorry no hope for us if the fleets come :(