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The genestealers would have infiltrated the most powerful governments and they would be saying 'don't, worry it's all ok'. We'll open our arms to the coming race and embrace them like brothers.

We'll find out what monsters they are and it will be too late as the first Mycetic Spores fall from the skies, like a mothers tears, as we realise that we are all doomed ...

winnertakesall wrote:

Billinator wrote:Hours... Nothing more. Added nukes, tanks, and what anyone is able to think of, or imagine the world hasn't yet seen or can be invented.

The Tyranids invade planets by the billions. Alone their mycetic spores, gargoyles etc. is so vastly numerous, that is blocks out the sun.

Then we will fight in the dark.

This is SPARTAAAA!

obsidianaura wrote:Everyone would have gone mad with the shadow in the warp .

Except no. As I've already pointed out the present population of Earth is psychic nulls. If anyone goes mad, it's the nids from the 6 or so billion nulls gathered on one planet.

Doctor Who would probably fix it in a day or so with minimal damage.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:Everyone would have gone mad with the shadow in the warp .

Except no. As I've already pointed out the present population of Earth is psychic nulls. If anyone goes mad, it's the nids from the 6 or so billion nulls gathered on one planet.

Either this or the Tyranids dont have psychic communication and need to rely on regular matter and physics (gravity drive etc would have to be possible)

or Tyranids realize that they cant exist in our universe and poof out of existence

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:Everyone would have gone mad with the shadow in the warp .

Except no. As I've already pointed out the present population of Earth is psychic nulls. If anyone goes mad, it's the nids from the 6 or so billion nulls gathered on one planet.

Big difference between psychic nulls and non-psykers. The majority of earth humans are quite obviously non-psykers, but likelihood of us all having the Pariah gene is quite low. Nothing in our collective evolutionary past would suggest that we've had a need for this mutation, especially not on a planet-wide scale.

On topic, less than 1% of the earth's population could be considered any sort of armed combatant. We have no planetary defenses, no large-scale fortifications except those predating the industrial revolution. Our advanced weaponry is at least as much psychological in nature as destructive, more developed for surgical strikes that minimize collateral damage than for wholesale carnage.

Our agriculture, industry, and population centers are all in the open, protected more by geography and advance detection systems and threat of retaliation than by actual weapons emplacements. Tyranids would literally be falling on our heads and running through the streets before we could mobilize any sort of response--a response that had no option of bottlenecking the enemy advance or forming definitive defensive lines.

In short, we would be fighting an army of elite paratroopers that outnumbers our population several to one and our combatants several hundred to one. The battlefields would be within our population centers, which have next to nothing in terms of strategic food reserves.

The ground war is unwinnable, our aircraft are largely useless against multitudinous hordes with unbreakable morale, and there's no option of assassination to force capitulation.

If Earth can't kill the vast majority of the tyranid fleet before it makes orbit, the fight is over. The main predictor for how long the battle takes to resolve itself is simply how much time it takens for several billion tyranids to eat several billion humans.

Depends on what we do. Maybe gather important supplies and rush to a bomb shelter. With loads of guns just in case

The way I see it, we all may as well climb into a big dog bowl labelled "Niddy". No point wasting time...

imo, the human race is much tougher than people believe. If it came to it, we would probably just nuke the skys.

Trouble is that many nukes=radiation

A lot of radiation doesnt do us much good. Either way if we used loads of nukes we would probably kill ourselves, BUT the hivefleet is organic, and nuclear weapons give off nuclear radiation (as mentioned earlier). When cells split to reproduce, which the hive fleet is doing all the time, they have deformaties, some developing cancer and other such nasties. So we could theoretically not so much fight them off, but kill the hive fleet, so it could never devour another world as the deformed cells would create more deformed cells and eventually the fleet wont be in such a healthy shape.

What we need are some of these!



(Just watched it again )
"Cook'em!"

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:Everyone would have gone mad with the shadow in the warp .

Except no. As I've already pointed out the present population of Earth is psychic nulls. If anyone goes mad, it's the nids from the 6 or so billion nulls gathered on one planet.

Except no. As I've already pointed out non-psykers are not mean nulls. A null is soulless & has no warp presence. Nulls are also as rare amongst psykers as psykers are amongst normals. Just because the present population of the earth has shown no proof of an ability to manifest psyker-like powers does not mean we are nulls.

By your logic daemons should have no reason to attack the imperium as every non-psyker is a null. Which would disrupt them & cause physical harm.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:Everyone would have gone mad with the shadow in the warp .

Except no. As I've already pointed out the present population of Earth is psychic nulls. If anyone goes mad, it's the nids from the 6 or so billion nulls gathered on one planet.

Except no. As I've already pointed out non-psykers are not mean nulls. A null is soulless & has no warp presence. Nulls are also as rare amongst psykers as psykers are amongst normals. Just because the present population of the earth has shown no proof of an ability to manifest psyker-like powers does not mean we are nulls.

By your logic daemons should have no reason to attack the imperium as every non-psyker is a null. Which would disrupt them & cause physical harm.

Except no we arnt the imperium or even in the 40k Universe...

So sorry but havent really seen any evidence to support the warp in our universe....

If your mean argument to 'us vs Tyrannids' is, "Tyrannids don't exist" (or any other variation of "This isn't 40k!"), then you're kinda missing the point of the thread

Also, if it helps any, in 2011 in the 40k Universe, they had no idea the warp existed either and psychers weren't around yet.

Did RibonFox just post pictures from Starship Troopers 3? Wow, And I was worried I was the only person who saw that movie. At least it was better than the 2nd one.

But I just can't see Humans winning a war against an Extraterrestrial Invasion force. Especially one that is always adapting. Humans try to to adapt but large groups of people and certain political groups fight change tooth and nail. Also consider the lack of one unifying government to mobilize and get all the forces working together. As long as the peoples of the earth are divided they would lose. And even a single cohesive well operated force would have a hard time.

And as for the radiation comment mentioned by Winnertakesall, space is filled with radiation blasted out from stars just doing their thing that is uninhibited by atmosphere and Ozone, so the 'Nids who are a space fairing race would most likely have no problem with radiation from a 'nuke of any kind. Humans however would have big problems.

As for a timeframe, I just don't see humans lasting very long.

Mattlov wrote:
Maybe in your next life some part of you could be something cool, like a Carnifex.

Made me laugh.

Remember, all you earth fanboys, Tyranids ate Macragge. MACRAGGE. And Macragge was defended by hundreds of Space Marines, with access to decent spaceships, unbelievably powerful weaponry, and some of the best military minds ever.
How well does earth stack up when compared?

I honestly don't see humanity getting it's collective gak together in time to save itself from a hypothetical Tyranid invasion.
IMO various factions would climb on their soapboxes as usual and debate over "solutions" until the carnifexes were battering down their doors.

sourclams wrote:The ground war is unwinnable, our aircraft are largely useless against multitudinous hordes with unbreakable morale, and there's no option of assassination to force capitulation.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88jrZjsNHPc and try to tell me that again

Laodamia wrote:

sourclams wrote:The ground war is unwinnable, our aircraft are largely useless against multitudinous hordes with unbreakable morale, and there's no option of assassination to force capitulation.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88jrZjsNHPc and try to tell me that again

1) Airfield would likely be overrun with Spore Pods by the time the order to react has been given.

2) Said B-52 would have to contend with Tyranid flying creatures (and there are big ones out there), though I'm not sure what altitude they are capable of reaching.

3) The damage to a continent spanning horde would be still be minimal.

We show them Snooki,they puke,and never return.

Melkhior Darkblade wrote:We show them Snooki,they puke,and never return.

Or...as a worse case scenario,the incorporate Snooki into their Bio mass/DNA and the world is over run by Snooki Gaunts.

we got batman and auto bots and Indiana Jones would use his Jesus whip and even though chuck Norris is gay at moment we still have the mighty steve siegul

2 and a half seconds. Sorry whats protecting us? Oh look a massive fleet! OMG THEY HAVE SHIPS WE ONLY HAVE AIRPLANES AND NAVAL VESSELS! NUKE IT NUKE IT!

There's no real chance at all to fight nids without the ability to attack them in space. By the time we finished checking if we actually have any ICBMs that can do that they'd have landed, and from there they'd eat *everything*, at best we could get them to wait until they finish siphoning off most of the atmosphere and we drop from that silly 'needs to breath' weakness.

Requia wrote:There's no real chance at all to fight nids without the ability to attack them in space. By the time we finished checking if we actually have any ICBMs that can do that they'd have landed, and from there they'd eat *everything*, at best we could get them to wait until they finish siphoning off most of the atmosphere and we drop from that silly 'needs to breath' weakness.

And UV Radiation would kill us all.

In the darksiders game, humanity survived against the forces of the apocalypse for like 50+ years so it stands to reason that the people will find ways to live, at least for a few years, while the tyranids are around.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:Everyone would have gone mad with the shadow in the warp .

Except no. As I've already pointed out the present population of Earth is psychic nulls. If anyone goes mad, it's the nids from the 6 or so billion nulls gathered on one planet.

Except no. As I've already pointed out non-psykers are not mean nulls. A null is soulless & has no warp presence. Nulls are also as rare amongst psykers as psykers are amongst normals. Just because the present population of the earth has shown no proof of an ability to manifest psyker-like powers does not mean we are nulls.

By your logic daemons should have no reason to attack the imperium as every non-psyker is a null. Which would disrupt them & cause physical harm.

Damn, right you are, I stand corrected. I could have sworn that I saw it mentioned somewhere though :S.

winnertakesall wrote:imo, the human race is much tougher than people believe. If it came to it, we would probably just nuke the skys.

Trouble is that many nukes=radiation

A lot of radiation doesnt do us much good. Either way if we used loads of nukes we would probably kill ourselves, BUT the hivefleet is organic, and nuclear weapons give off nuclear radiation (as mentioned earlier). When cells split to reproduce, which the hive fleet is doing all the time, they have deformaties, some developing cancer and other such nasties. So we could theoretically not so much fight them off, but kill the hive fleet, so it could never devour another world as the deformed cells would create more deformed cells and eventually the fleet wont be in such a healthy shape.

This is well intentioned, but ignores some other biological requirements for tyranid to exist, namely that if they were able to reproduce as fast, regenerate and so on, their ability to repair damaged DNA would far outstrip our ability to cause such damage. Increasing the speed at which DNA is replicated increases the risk of it doing so with deletions, insertions and other such errors that cause mutations. Most organisms that reproduce their DNA rapidly have very effective error removing systems. That the 'nids have this ability in spades is a given, otherwise they simply would not be able to create so many, repair themselves etc without turning into a gibbering mess of organic matter.

So no, nuclear detonations, whislt directly damaging because of heat, kinetic effect etc, would not cause the tyranids any lasting harm, as their supremely enhanced biology would remove the mutations that might result in the nasties like cancer that you mentioned.

ivangterrace wrote:In the darksiders game, humanity survived against the forces of the apocalypse for like 50+ years so it stands to reason that the people will find ways to live, at least for a few years, while the tyranids are around.

Problem being that Tyranids remove the atmosphere in most cases of planetary consumption. Your average bunker wouldn't last long, even with a supply of food there wouldn't be oxygen to ensure the survival. Although underground facilities much like on Tallarn (if they were suitably large, green and well protected) could possibly survive longer, unless the Tyranids somehow got wind of it and sent burrowing bioweapons such as Trygons. The question is do we have those kind of facilities?

Laodamia wrote:Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88jrZjsNHPc and try to tell me that again

Airplane kills 1,000 Nids.

Airplane lands.

Remaining 10 billion Nids have eaten ground crew and no one is alive to refresh ammo hoppers or refuel airplane.

Or Hariden snacks on said plane for lunch.