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Hmmm, am i the only one who finds this obsession with childrens TV shows quite distasteful? I did watch childrens tv, when i was a child, but see no utility in doing so today. Oh and dont say 'Dey is Rightious wen u'rez stoned lulz' it just shows everyone that you have never smoked in your life.
Personally i miss the culture of the 90's/earlier and the general world view of the youth. It's hard to explain what has changed it's like the majority are afraid to say something clever or different, all the youth speak about is booze/drugs(and the 'amazing' anecdotes), how 'crap' uni/school is (regardless of their striaght A's), sport and american TV as they are the only 'SAFE' topics that you can get away with talking about.
Mary Sue wrote: Perkustin is even more awesome than me!
2011/02/21 18:38:57
Subject: Re:Things we've lost in the last few years
I think we've lost youth subcultures and I mourn that. I used to like the various tribal identities that young people took up. Nowadays instead of rebelling and breaking away and staking their identities, youth seem more intent on commercial assimilation and subculture-lite. Even those subcultures that still retain some instant visual recognition have become clichés of themselves.
EG - goths, goths in my day were amazing pointy shoe wearing folks with bizarre hair and frilly shirts and out all night drinking snakebites and taking speed, the girls were amazing to look at and took hours to get ready to go out to the goth clubs. Nowadays the 'goth-lite' types pay insane amounts of money for brand name platform boots and wear black T-shirts with 'rebellious' and 'dark' slogans that some grey suit wearing PR guy cam up with, instead of something of their own design.
It all reminds me of a Sheep on Drugs lyric.
"I can see a nation of blue jeans and T-shirts, I'm so ashamed of British youth that it actually hurts"
Rave culture all went mainstream, no more illegal parties in fields at 4am, now it's all euro-pop and overpaid preening DJs with little skill.
Metal... Metal became narcissistic and bloated and metallica cut their hair and became more interested in their records being illegally downloaded than actually playing good music.
Rap lost it's teeth, became mainstream and mated with mamon to give us that fethawful pile of newjackswing and garage and all the other 'urban' music that is actually just 'urbane' (and dares to call some of it's work 'soul'...), more obsessed with preening than raging it's disapproval at the powers that be.
"Of all things I've lost I miss my mind the most" -Mark Twain
I'm sure someone here feels that way
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"They are not your worst nightmare; they are your every nightmare."
"Let the galaxy burn!"
I must agree with you 100% ..Sad really,I myself look back on my days in the "Punk sub-culture" of the 80's and 90s with an certain degree of pride...and now even at 41 carry some of that youthful attitude with me.
It seems that for the most part youth subcultures are indeed a thing of the past.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2011/02/21 23:40:45
Subject: Re:Things we've lost in the last few years
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think we've lost youth subcultures and I mourn that. I used to like the various tribal identities that young people took up. Nowadays instead of rebelling and breaking away and staking their identities, youth seem more intent on commercial assimilation and subculture-lite. Even those subcultures that still retain some instant visual recognition have become clichés of themselves.
EG - goths, goths in my day were amazing pointy shoe wearing folks with bizarre hair and frilly shirts and out all night drinking snakebites and taking speed, the girls were amazing to look at and took hours to get ready to go out to the goth clubs. Nowadays the 'goth-lite' types pay insane amounts of money for brand name platform boots and wear black T-shirts with 'rebellious' and 'dark' slogans that some grey suit wearing PR guy cam up with, instead of something of their own design.
It all reminds me of a Sheep on Drugs lyric.
"I can see a nation of blue jeans and T-shirts, I'm so ashamed of British youth that it actually hurts"
Rave culture all went mainstream, no more illegal parties in fields at 4am, now it's all euro-pop and overpaid preening DJs with little skill.
Metal... Metal became narcissistic and bloated and metallica cut their hair and became more interested in their records being illegally downloaded than actually playing good music.
Rap lost it's teeth, became mainstream and mated with mamon to give us that fethawful pile of newjackswing and garage and all the other 'urban' music that is actually just 'urbane' (and dares to call some of it's work 'soul'...), more obsessed with preening than raging it's disapproval at the powers that be.
Here, here! +1000
one question though. isn't "Goth-lite" = Emo? i don't really follow either, so it's hard to guess.
and thankfully my kids have gone different directions.
Automatically Appended Next Post: and a PS i feel for KK. i don't know if i could handle my life being turned upside down every 2 - 3 years!
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Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
I must agree with you 100% ..Sad really,I myself look back on my days in the "Punk sub-culture" of the 80's and 90s with an certain degree of pride...and now even at 41 carry some of that youthful attitude with me.
It seems that for the most part youth subcultures are indeed a thing of the past.
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about, we have metal-heads, punks, skaters and rap kids hanging out at the "smoke-pit" the band-room, computer labs, library and science halls are filled with geeks. Motor-heads and grease-monkeys are
tweaking their cars in the shop classes, there's hipster's, emo's, preps, jocks covering the lower floor and hippies dotting the photo room. Seems like plenty of sub-cultures to me.
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halonachos wrote: and I also miss the pride being an american used to bring to people.
Assuming (Carefull.... It makes an ass out of u and me) it was there in "the last few years", it is to be expected. The Founding Fathers said during the writing of the Constitution that it would only last 200 years.
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
I miss the usual...Animaniacs, Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, Dexter's Lab, etc. I must also say I miss it when Pokemon was just the original, and didn't have all this extra crap it does nowadays.
I miss it when you could make jokes like they did on those shows, and not have to worry about getting sued. I miss when PCness had yet to fill every level of our society. (
You're marking me down for using the word 'he'?" "Yes. It's sexist. You should have used, he/she." "He/she sounds stupid.") I also miss not being a total cynic who still had SOME faith in humanity and democracy...
Oh nostalgia....ah well, at least we have one constant. We all have nostalgia!
"If everything on Earth were rational, nothing would ever happen."
~Fyodor Dostoevsky
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
~Hanlon's Razor
Businesses come and go. Borders replaced Crown Books, which used to be a major books store. I remember back before Borders, when they were just Waldenbooks, and competed with Crown.
You're completely right IMO. We need to let businesses die so new ones can take their place. Yeah we'll temporarily lose jobs but in the long run it will let things actually develop, which capitalism needs if we're going to pretend it works.
Shadowbrand wrote:
I lost a lot of friends because I just couldn't deal with how different I am too them now.
This happens. It really sucks. The good ones come back around though, and the others aren't worth the sympathy.
Slarg232 wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Micheal Bay?
NO, I did NOT just go there.
I will cut you and stab you and flay you alive. I will tear you limb from limb, and feed each piece to alligators. I will then kill and burn the alligators, and bury them miles below the surface of the earth.
That is your fate and just punishment if you ever mention the name 'Micheal Bay' ever again.
Sorry
You just wrote a Penny Arcade strip.
FITZZ wrote:
Very true...I for one miss the smell of vinyl,the atmosphere of the record shops..hanging out and discussing bands and such...the feeling of "contact".
Downloading may be more "efficient"...but it certainly isn't as interesting.
Blockbuster Music, later Wherehouse Music, used to have knowledgeable employees and a great atmosphere. I remember trying to get a limited release concert DVD and they had a used copy on hand and for a bit cheaper than I could find it online. That pretty much summed up my experience with them.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think we've lost youth subcultures and I mourn that. I used to like the various tribal identities that young people took up. Nowadays instead of rebelling and breaking away and staking their identities, youth seem more intent on commercial assimilation and subculture-lite. Even those subcultures that still retain some instant visual recognition have become clichés of themselves.
EG - goths, goths in my day were amazing pointy shoe wearing folks with bizarre hair and frilly shirts and out all night drinking snakebites and taking speed, the girls were amazing to look at and took hours to get ready to go out to the goth clubs. Nowadays the 'goth-lite' types pay insane amounts of money for brand name platform boots and wear black T-shirts with 'rebellious' and 'dark' slogans that some grey suit wearing PR guy cam up with, instead of something of their own design.
It all reminds me of a Sheep on Drugs lyric.
"I can see a nation of blue jeans and T-shirts, I'm so ashamed of British youth that it actually hurts"
Rave culture all went mainstream, no more illegal parties in fields at 4am, now it's all euro-pop and overpaid preening DJs with little skill.
Metal... Metal became narcissistic and bloated and metallica cut their hair and became more interested in their records being illegally downloaded than actually playing good music.
Rap lost it's teeth, became mainstream and mated with mamon to give us that fethawful pile of newjackswing and garage and all the other 'urban' music that is actually just 'urbane' (and dares to call some of it's work 'soul'...), more obsessed with preening than raging it's disapproval at the powers that be.
I think that subcultures have just changed. They may not be as diverse or genre-defining, but I'm not sure that's a bad thing as people are finding to new ways to acquire identity. I do think it's odd that in my particularly gay moments I can go out in skinny jeans, eyeliner, a rainbow belt and matching bracelet and a female cut tee and people still don't get that I'm also into boys. How much of a sign do I need to give? I went to a rave recently and was greeted by cops shining lights in everyone's eyes. It sucked. Most of the people stood by the bonfire and I had to, in a completely sober state, tap into my bardic skills to rile the crowd. I led a few charges on the stage that night, but of the few most into it the British dude was the one who kept going the whole night. I also went to a Burning Man "rave" in an abandoned warehouse and it was absolutely horrible; it was all people standing around trying to look self-important sipping fancy beer. I ended up having to babysit my female friend cuz she got stoned with some random creepers who were trying to bang her and she had driven her car... after chilling at Whataburger for 5 hours to let her sober up I was so freaking done.
I think in many ways we've lost a good chunk of our fear of things that are different. Be it gay issues, attitudes toward muslims, or even just the idea of having a "dark" president. On that note...
It might just be me, but it seems like after GWB, we've lost any respect for the presidency. I can remember people who didn't like Clinton at least having some degree of reservation when it came to slandering him (perhaps the jokes were followed up with a "that's awful"). It may just be that I'm older but it seems that way (isn't there a word for "something that seems a certain way?").
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2011/02/22 14:46:54
Subject: Re:Things we've lost in the last few years
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think we've lost youth subcultures and I mourn that. I used to like the various tribal identities that young people took up. Nowadays instead of rebelling and breaking away and staking their identities, youth seem more intent on commercial assimilation and subculture-lite. Even those subcultures that still retain some instant visual recognition have become clichés of themselves.
EG - goths, goths in my day were amazing pointy shoe wearing folks with bizarre hair and frilly shirts and out all night drinking snakebites and taking speed, the girls were amazing to look at and took hours to get ready to go out to the goth clubs. Nowadays the 'goth-lite' types pay insane amounts of money for brand name platform boots and wear black T-shirts with 'rebellious' and 'dark' slogans that some grey suit wearing PR guy cam up with, instead of something of their own design.
It all reminds me of a Sheep on Drugs lyric.
"I can see a nation of blue jeans and T-shirts, I'm so ashamed of British youth that it actually hurts"
Rave culture all went mainstream, no more illegal parties in fields at 4am, now it's all euro-pop and overpaid preening DJs with little skill.
Metal... Metal became narcissistic and bloated and metallica cut their hair and became more interested in their records being illegally downloaded than actually playing good music.
Rap lost it's teeth, became mainstream and mated with mamon to give us that fethawful pile of newjackswing and garage and all the other 'urban' music that is actually just 'urbane' (and dares to call some of it's work 'soul'...), more obsessed with preening than raging it's disapproval at the powers that be.
Hmmm, I can say that there are still plenty of youth "sub-cultures" or whatever, but they aren't as defined as they once were; personally, I think that this is a good thing.
Letting a single thing define you like that would be terribly limiting, imo. The whole idea of youth sub-cultures seems divisive, and to be frank, rather silly. I can't imagine voluntarily limiting myself like that.
2011/02/22 16:38:28
Subject: Re:Things we've lost in the last few years
I miss when adults did adult things and didn't obsess over their childhoods. When people would remember watching [cartoon] instead of wanting to buy all the seasons of it as an adult and getting the toys and wallpaper. I regret that an emotionally slowed generation (80's kids) has lead to even more emotionally slowed people that treat adulthood as an extended childhood.
When I use the word slowed I mean delayed or slowed, not the slang for a mentally handicapped person.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote:I miss when adults did adult things and didn't obsess over their childhoods. When people would remember watching [cartoon] instead of wanting to buy all the seasons of it as an adult and getting the toys and wallpaper. I regret that an emotionally slowed generation (80's kids) has lead to even more emotionally slowed people that treat adulthood as an extended childhood.
When I use the word slowed I mean delayed or slowed, not the slang for a mentally handicapped person.
Hey just because I've got every episode of transformers, from arrival from cybertron to beast masters.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Ahtman wrote:I miss when adults did adult things and didn't obsess over their childhoods. When people would remember watching [cartoon] instead of wanting to buy all the seasons of it as an adult and getting the toys and wallpaper. I regret that an emotionally slowed generation (80's kids) has lead to even more emotionally slowed people that treat adulthood as an extended childhood.
When I use the word slowed I mean delayed or slowed, not the slang for a mentally handicapped person.
Toy soldiers anyone?
Although admittedly I didn't really play with them as a kid...
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Ahtman wrote:I miss when adults did adult things and didn't obsess over their childhoods. When people would remember watching [cartoon] instead of wanting to buy all the seasons of it as an adult and getting the toys and wallpaper. I regret that an emotionally slowed generation (80's kids) has lead to even more emotionally slowed people that treat adulthood as an extended childhood.
When I use the word slowed I mean delayed or slowed, not the slang for a mentally handicapped person.
Personally I think people should pursue things that they enjoy even if the means reliving their childhood, I say so long as they're having fun why criticize their taste.
Shadowbrand wrote:Nothing like being a pirate out at sea with scurvy and Gonorrhea from the wentch you boned at Port Royal.
...Hey now you have to be tough if you want to go for the real-thing not just a reenactment.
Yep, there's nothing that gives me more nostalgia than an strange STD that produces odd, pus-filled lumps and scarring on my genitalia. If I'm not vomiting or rotting away after my experience then it's not worth remembering.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
Meh, just sounds like a guy in his late-30's who's been hit early with "bitter old-man" syndrome.
Well...seeing as I'm a guy in my early 40s ,it should be understandable as to why I agree with some of his points..
I don't know fun to me is only as good as the amount of effort I put into it, sitting there whining about "how life sucks" is a waste of time that could be better spent doing more exciting activities.
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"They are not your worst nightmare; they are your every nightmare."
"Let the galaxy burn!"
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NO, I did NOT just go there.
I went to a rave recently and was greeted by cops shining lights in everyone's eyes. It sucked. Most of the people stood by the bonfire and I had to, in a completely sober state, tap into my bardic skills to rile the crowd. I led a few charges on the stage that night, but of the few most into it the British dude was the one who kept going the whole night. I also went to a Burning Man "rave" in an abandoned warehouse and it was absolutely horrible; it was all people standing around trying to look self-important sipping fancy beer. I ended up having to babysit my female friend cuz she got stoned with some random creepers who were trying to bang her and she had driven her car... after chilling at Whataburger for 5 hours to let her sober up I was so freaking done.
